UMKC 6-year BA/MD Program

Correct. At UMKC, we do Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, General Surgery, Obstetrics & Gynecology, Psychiatry, and a Family Medicine Rural Preceptorship in Year 5. Our Family Medicine rotation is done in Year 4. For the longest time, UMKC didn’t even have its own Neurology department, but it looks like while they do have one & a residency program now, it’s not a required rotation for BA/MD students yet.

Medical schools that have shortened the basic science years have essentially inserted scholarly project research months to help make their students more competitive in the match (with a more self-serving reason being helping their medical school’s overall research output) and more clinical elective rotation time:

Course map for 2 year PA program seems somewhat similar to first 2 years of a program like Duke’s. Both seem to be 1 year pre-clinical and 1 year clinical rotations. I am assuming the pre-clinical MD is different than PA, but clinical rotations seems to be similar.

My observation based on pre-reqs for Pharmacy, PA, Medicine was that all those include significant amount of science courses to build a solid foundation. On the contrary, nursing/BSN curriculum seems to be made of mostly lower level science courses - whether it is chemistry or anatomy - than pre-reqs for any of these other tracks. Even the NP level curriculum doesn’t seem to have that much focus on science (going by course map on UMKC website).

However NP and PA seem to be performing a similar role in healthcare (NPs practice independently also). Does this mean that the science part of the curriculum is not all that relevant to these roles?

So in terms of the different pathways, PA, NP, MD/DO, PharmD, DDS, Optometry, etc. there wil be some similiarities in terms of the basic sciences in the curriculum. The basic sciences is generally considered to be courses like anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, microbiology, pharmacology, and pathology. The difference will be the level of depth and detail, with the MD/DO degree curriculum being the most extensive in terms of the basic sciences, as well as particular focus (for example, dental school focusing more on oral pathology and head and neck anatomy). The basic sciences are the foundation in which you build off of when you get to the clinical part of the curriculum.

In terms of where they fit in the healthcare system, on the medical side, I think that PA, NP, MD/DO all have different roles to play in terms of direct patient care, although not necessarily all at the same level of care. For many people, the PA or NP pathway would satisfy them enough in terms of career (and those are good careers too!). The idea that only physician or nurse are your only options in healthcare is pretty out-of-date. There are many careers in healthcare available and I advise students to shadow in as many that interest them to see the pros and cons of all healthcare professions.

Class of 2024 Match List Analysis

Internal Medicine - 25
Pediatrics - 8
Internal Medicine/Pediatrics (combined residency) - 2
Internal Medicine/Preventive Medicine (combined residency) - 1
Obstetrics & Gynecology - 10
Family Medicine - 12
Psychiatry - 11

General Surgery - 5
Otolaryngology - 1
Plastic Surgery - 1
Thoracic Surgery - 1
Urology - 1
Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery (OMFS) - 2
Preliminary Surgery - 1

Emergency Medicine - 6
Radiology - 5
Radiology/Nuclear Medicine - 1
Interventional Radiology - 1
Ophthalmology - 4
Anesthesiology - 7
Dermatology - 2
Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation - 1
Pathology - 4
Neurology - 1

As high school students are comparing medical schools at different Bachelor/MD programs (if you’re lucky enough to be in the position of having several Bachelor/MD acceptances in the first place, and it’s also perfectly fine if you do not), one factor that you will look at, although not the only factor, will be residency match lists:

If you’re someone who has not gone through medical school and/or do not know any physicians personally, it can be very difficult as someone outside of medicine to be able to properly interpret and also reach proper conclusions from a medical school’s match lists. For most graduating high school seniors who enter a Bachelor/MD program, this would be very difficult to do on your own without supplemental help.

Part of interpreting a medical school’s residency match list involves:

  • knowing which programs are the good residency training programs in each specialty, with the top-tier residency programs in each individual specialty being the most competitive
  • seeing geographically where most medical school graduates from a particular medical school end up matching, especially in competitive geographical areas (i.e. state of California, New York City, Boston, etc.)
  • looking at several years’ worth of residency match lists in order to see a medical school’s “track record” of being able to send their graduates to specific specialties/regions/program institutions and to match in competitive specialties

Top-tier residency programs in a specialty don’t necessarily automatically mean that they are Ivy League institutions, although it can sometimes be the case. Individual residency training programs, even in non-competitive specialties, can also be competitive for other reasons: easier lifestyle during residency training, geography (i.e. being located in sunny California or in a bustling city like New York City), etc.

It’s more helpful to notice match trends overall rather than to hyperfocus on any one particular student’s match or on any one particular match year when evaluating a medical school. For example, noticing one hard-hitting stellar match and then extrapolating it to the entire medical school student body or the caliber of the medical school itself is probably not a wise idea, as you don’t necessarily know the entire story behind that stellar match, i.e. the person did a research year(s) at the NIH, the person did an audition elective rotation and really impressed clinical faculty, or they may have a personal/internal connection there, etc.

Context is always helpful in terms of evaluating any particular person’s residency match.

For example:

  • Did that student have to take a year off from the BA/MD program to get some research publications under his/her belt to bolster his/her residency application?
  • Is that student part of the military match?
  • Did that student couples match with someone else in the same medical school class?
  • Did that student want to follow a spouse from a previous year’s class and do residency in the same area?
  • Was that person geographically restricted in some way (i.e. wanting to be closer to family, having a significant other not in medicine who has to find a job in the area where the student matches)?
  • Did that student do an audition rotation (or research) at the place where they matched and knocked their socks off?
  • Were they an MD-only student, who may have done quite a bit of research or had ancillary degrees?
  • Was that person unable to match from a previous match cycle year and had to apply again?

All of these factors can play into a medical student’s final match outcome which is the result of a computerized mathematical algorithm that incorporates an applicant’s rank order list, a residency training program’s rank order list of applicants that it has interviewed, and the computer gives out the best possible outcome taking into account both lists. Keep in mind if someone currently in the class applied but didn’t match into any training position, even for the first year of internship, you will not see their name on a residency match list.

Things that you won’t be able to see by looking at a medical school’s match list for a particular year:

  1. where that residency program was ranked on that student’s rank list (so you won’t know whether it was his/her first choice or their last choice).

  2. whether the specialty the student ended up matching into was that student’s #1 preferred specialty or whether the student may have matched into a backup residency specialty, whether that’s:

Different BA/MD classes at UMKC can have different personalities. For example, in one year, a lot of students in the class may want to go for more primary care oriented type of specialties, or in another year, they may have a lot more students going for more surgically oriented type of specialties, which may not be the case in other years.

Medical students also take other things into account (besides just the residency training program alone) when it comes to coming up with their final rank list and matching into a residency program: geographical considerations, wanting to live closer to immediate family during residency training, spousal considerations, standard of living of the city and how far a resident’s salary in that area will go there - since you’ll be making a relatively lower salary during residency training.

There are also online published rankings of hospitals/residency programs in each specialty which you can see here:

One thing that I wanted to make clear as I have before, is that my analysis of this year’s match list is not meant to be a personal judgment of the UMKC BA/MD students themselves. It’s not meant as a personal attack or personal criticism. In fact, I would say especially in recent years, the caliber of the type of student that enters the UMKC BA/MD program is very stellar. My goal is to try to point out trends, both compared with the medical school’s prior match lists, as well as to other medical schools. It is also to help those applicants who may already be considering a particular specialty or particular geographic area and need to see a med school’s prior track record of getting their students to match into that particular specialty or in particular geographic areas. If you’re someone who is not at all sure what specialty you want to go into (and you don’t have to know at this point at all by any means) and thus don’t want to feel restricted in any way, looking at a medical school’s residency match lists to see the distribution of matches, in terms of specialties and programs, is important.

All that being said, I kind of think of residency match lists as sort of turning on the tv about a minute before the closing end credits come on, and trying to figure out the plot from the tv show that happened 29 minutes before. With a match list, you are only seeing the final product, but you don’t see the years before that went into creating that final product – studying for basic science courses, taking USMLE Step 1 in Year 4, Year 5 required clerkship performance, audition rotations in Year 6, taking USMLE Step 2 CK, research and any publications that came from it, how and when the person ended up deciding which specialty to shoot for (and the factors that went into that decision), how much geography came into play, whether people couples matched, what backup specialties were seriously considered, etc.

The question isn’t about the people who are AOA or at the top of the medical school class. Those people will almost always do relatively well (there have been exceptions) in the residency match compared to their peers, both in terms of the specialties that are potentially available to them, as well as the actual programs and institutions that they match into, although even then that’s not necessarily a golden ticket, especially coming from UMKC. The question is about those who are in the top half of the class or in the middle of the class. Are competitive specialties still available to them like they can be at other medical schools? The best example I can come up with is when it comes to comparing a UMKC med student with a medical student at Mizzou (in Columbia, MO) or a medical student at WashU in St. Louis, MO. If you compare match lists between those institutions you can see how drastically different they are.

So Internal Medicine is our strongest specialty at UMKC, both in terms of the number of students who match into that particular residency in any given class, as well as when it comes to our students’ overall total exposure to Internal Medicine in the BA/MD curriculum. This is generally through our Continuing Care Clinics in Years 3-6 in which students spend half a day each week in an outpatient/ambulatory Internal Medicine clinic and our 2 month inpatient Internal Medicine rotations (commonly referred to as Docent Rotation or “DoRo”) done each year in Years 4-6. The programs that our students were able to match into were mainly at lower-tier & middle-tier (with a select few stronger middle-tier programs at places like Emory, UC-San Diego, Case Western, UT-Southwestern) IM programs, excluding the 2 top-tier matches at Mayo and WashU (both of which are Midwest programs like UMKC and matched into by AOA students). In the past, we have had 1-2 students in a particular year match into places like Mayo and Wash U for IM (again in the Midwest) which in recent years tends to usually be AOA candidates. No top-tier Internal Medicine programs on the coasts like Hopkins Osler, Mass General, UCSF, Brigham and Women’s, Duke, Penn, etc.

I think this confuses applicants to the UMKC BA/MD program & their parents, since the amount of Internal Medicine that we do at UMKC is so much more when compared to other medical schools, so you’d think that our students would be matching more into very strong middle-tier or top-tier IM institutions, especially since we get so much additional IM exposure and maybe even greater confidence in interacting with patients that students at other medical schools don’t get. Keep in mind that in comparison to traditional medical school graduates, at UMKC we do 4 more months of inpatient Internal Medicine than everyone else. Most other medical schools do an Internal Medicine inpatient rotation for 2 months once during the MS-3 year. Also while we do outpatient/ambulatory IM clinics one half-day per week for 4 years, traditional medical school graduates do maybe one month of an internal medicine or some type of primary care ambulatory clinic.

Of course, it’s much more complicated than that, in terms of the match, but clearly just having more student curricular exposure is not the only factor being taken into consideration in selection for the top-tier IM residency programs, nor is that exposure enough on its own to justify taking someone, as that is what residency training is for, in which the learning curve is very steep and thus people at other schools can catch up quickly. Most people going for IM tend to go with the intention of becoming subspecialists thru fellowship - Cardiology, GI, Heme/Onc, Allergy, etc. although people also can become hospitalists or do outpatient IM as well.

Family Medicine is another area of medicine that UMKC BA/MD students get plenty of exposure to through Year 1 & 2 Docent, the Family Medicine clerkship in Year 4, and the Family Medicine Rural Preceptorship in Year 5. We had 12 students match in that specialty, mainly in programs in the Midwest as many of our students are from Missouri or in the regional category around Missouri.

For Pediatrics, nearly everyone matched into Children’s Mercy Hospital besides one candidate who matched at a top-tier program and that was the AOA candidate. Most likely this year a LOT of UMKC students wanted to stay close to home, and Children’s Mercy Hospital itself is a really great children’s hospital (as a general rule, most pediatric hospitals in America are actually quite nice). In Peds, the rate of subspecialization after residency is different than in Internal Medicine, as the income factor discrepancy isn’t as pronounced in the Peds world from generalist to specialist, as it can sometimes be in the IM world.

In Obstetrics & Gynecology, we had 10 people match, all in middle-tier and lower-tier programs. The one student who matched into a higher tier program was a person who had done a 2 year public policy fellowship at Harvard. In Psychiatry, we had 11 people match, mainly in lower middle tier and lower-tier programs. The one student who matched into a higher tier program was an MD only student.

As is pretty typical for our medical student match lists at UMKC, in total, very few of our students go for General Surgery or surgical subspecialties (Neurological Surgery, Orthopaedic Surgery, Otolaryngology, Plastic Surgery, Thoracic Surgery, Urology, Vascular Surgery). The only surgical residencies that we have at UMKC are General Surgery and Orthopaedic Surgery. So for all of the others, you will be very much dependent on outside institutions (meaning outside of UMKC) that have residencies in those specialties for help to be able to match into those specialties. Although this year is lower than average at 10 total (I’m not counting the Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery spots as these are students who are already a part of the OMFS program at UMKC, so the match is more of a formality for them), as our school’s overall clinical emphasis is much more on Internal Medicine and the primary care specialties.

All the General Surgery matches were in middle-tier and lower-tier programs. There were no Orthopaedic Surgery matches this year, which is different/unusual compared to prior years. The students who matched into thoracic surgery and urology were both BA/MD students who took a year off to do a research fellowship year program. The Plastic Surgery match was an MD-only student and the Otolaryngology match was an AOA candidate who matched at the residency program close by.

In terms of the more ancillary specialties: Radiology, Ophthalmology, Anesthesiology, Dermatology, Emergency Medicine, Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Pathology, etc., with two of these specialties being very competitive (one of which we do have a home residency training program in Ophthalmology), you can see that we tend to have a much lower total number of people entering these fields, for a variety of reasons. Those in the 2 very competitive specialties in this category coming from UMKC tend to be those who were more academically competitive and more often in AOA, although not always.

Radiology is moderately competitive (compared to at its peak when it used to actually be on par in competitiveness with Derm). So accordingly, our match lists have opened up to more people being able to match into Diagnostic Radiology coming from UMKC. That being said, even our AOA candidates matched into middle tier (although relatively solid middle tier) programs. One top tier match was someone who had done an NIH research fellowship. The increased competitiveness has shifted away from Diagnostic Radiology and more towards Interventional Radiology, which now has its own separate residency track also (it used to be only a fellowship after completing Diagnostic Radiology residency). The Interventional Radiology match was by the AOA candidate.

For Ophthalmology, non-AOA candidates matched into lower-tier programs, with one having done a research year in the same state where he/she matched. The top tier program was matched into by the AOA candidate, although keep in mind that Ophthalmology, by itself, is a competitive specialty to match into to begin with.

In the specialty of Anesthesiology, 7 students matched, mainly into lower tier programs. The ones who matched into top tier programs were AOA candidates and/or those who did a research fellowship. For Dermatology, both were AOA candidates matching into middle tier Derm programs in the Midwest, even with one student having taken a research year off. For Emergency Medicine, we had 6 people match, mainly into middle tier and lower tier programs with an MD only student matching into a top tier program.

Overall for this year’s match list, taking into account the overall breadth & variety of specialties matched into, residency program institutional caliber (even for the non-competitive specialties), geographical distribution, I would say this year’s match list overall is below average/weaker compared to previous years’ match lists for UMKC.

Keep in mind that UMKC SOM has always been a smaller, lower-tier medical school so the spectrum of specialties / programs that a student is able to match into coming from UMKC (even with taking a year off for research) will be different than medical schools that are in the middle-tier and top-tier. A UMKC BA/MD student that is at the top of his/her class will have to work much harder, be more innovative and creative in building up their CV than students at other medical schools where resources and opportunities are abundantly and readily available to them. That can be somewhat exhausting and frustrating as a student, especially if you’re already paying the regional or out-of-state rate.

Several things to note:

  1. The residency match has gotten a lot tighter for U.S. medical graduates in recent years due to the ratio of the number of residency spots available to the number of U.S. medical school graduates, with many new allopathic medical schools being added by the LCME in recent years, and thus more graduating U.S. med school seniors that weren’t there in previous match years. To give you a better idea of this, according to statistics, in the year 2000, we had 124 allopathic medical schools. We now have more than 150 allopathic medical schools. And this doesn’t even include osteopathic (D.O.) medical schools which also take part in the merged residency match system (it used to be that the allopathic and osteopathic matches were separate, although the timing was the same). This merger was completed in 2020.

  2. Medical school reputation, both in terms of academic prestige, and also being “known” entities, in terms of the quality of their medical school graduates, based on personal experience from residency program directors, will probably be a lot more important now than it used to be. Thus, the lower-tier medical schools will be the first to feel the crunch, while top-tier med schools will be hit less hard or the last to feel the crunch, if even at all.

  3. This year, 124 UMKC med students entered the match, with 113 students having matched into at least a first year residency position (this is commonly known as an internship). One possibility (although not as likely) is that some students didn’t want their residency match to be posted, but another possibility is that 11 students didn’t match at all, although we don’t know the individual specific reasons behind that.

  4. Unlike what it has been in prior years, more and more UMKC students going for certain specific specialties feel they may have to (or at the very least, feel comfortable with) take a year off from medical school to do a research year, in order to bolster their application, with sometimes even our AOA candidates feeling the need to do so. It’s not an assurance to a stellar residency match, but it can help.

  5. With this year being the very first UMKC School of Medicine match class to have taken USMLE Step 1 as a Pass/Fail exam in Year 4 (2022), I would say that this change likely ended up hurting our students this year, as it was then that much harder (compared to previous years) for our medical students to be able to set themselves apart early on, half-way through medical school, without having to do something extra on top of the curriculum, like taking a year off from medical school for research.

You can compare these match lists for UMKC to those at Mizzou, SLU, and Wash U, as well as Google medical schools’ match lists from your own home state, as most med schools have posted them online. If you have any questions at all on the match list or the actual matching process, please feel free to ask.

Thanks for your analysis and details. What is AOA student mean?

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Hey!! Good question! I should have explained it in my analysis (maybe next year). AOA (Alpha Omega Alpha) is the national medical honor society for allopathic medical schools. You can think of it as the medical school version of NHS (National Honor Society) in high schools. So a student who is nominated (generally based on academic performance) and inducted into AOA would be an AOA member: How Members Are Chosen - Alpha Omega Alpha

Thank you. What are the different options for 17-18 years old OOS student to become Missouri resident (just for the sake of becoming an instate student so that tuition fees become instate)?

So with respect to getting in-state tuition, this is the process to follow here:
Residency | Office of the Registrar | University of Missouri - Kansas City (Click on the “Apply for a residency rate” blue button)

You essentially fill out and submit the Residency Change Petition online & upload the documentation that they ask for. I’ve heard different answers from previous UMKC BA/MD students in terms of their level of success, but it can’t hurt to try. The medical school itself does not determine residency status, but the Office of the Registrar at the Administrative Center on the main Volker campus.

It’s the same process for all Missouri higher education public institutions so you may want to look at other Missouri school websites to get a better idea of the process, which are more user-friendly and explanatory (Missouri Residency // Office of the University Registrar). You can see Missouri state law here: Student Residency Requirements - MDHE Policies & Guidelines

Thanks of this info, Do you know any OOS students that were succeeded to get the residency during your times at UMKC?

No, during my time, if you were an out-of-state BA/MD student, you essentially signed an agreement with the university and School of Medicine stating that you agreed to pay out-of-state tuition for all 6 years (or longer, if individual circumstances required it) and wouldn’t apply for or otherwise claim entitlement to any UMKC out-of-state scholarship (not that BA/MD students really got any university scholarships to begin with).

I believe what happened later is that a group of parents were preparing to sue because UMKC BA/MD students were being treated differently than all other university students when it came to tuition & residency policy, and so the university relented and so out-of-state BA/MD students no longer have to sign such a restrictive agreement before matriculation.

@Roentgen
I am not an expert on matching or tiers of residency, but a few observations comparing MO schools

  1. WashU is in a different league, so may not be worth comparing with the other 3 in MO - all of which rank around the same in USNWR ranking. Also for 2024, detailed WashU results are not available. Washu had 21 students matching to surgical subspecialties vs 14 for UMKC at a high level (I included ophthalmology as surgical since Washu counted it as surgical).

  2. SLU/Mizzou seems to have a similar distribution around competitive specialties as UMKC - considering the 50% larger class size at SLU. The one competitive specialty that is an exception for UMKC this year was Ortho. Other than that across all competitive specialties, distribution seems to be somewhat similar - despite the fact that both Mizzou and SLU have home programs for most competitive specialties that are missing at UMKC(derm, plastic, ENT etc.).

  3. Regarding geographic distribution - is it due to the fact that UMKC enrolls 90% of students from midwest? Mizzou looks somewhat similar where they have a similar enrollment pattern? From longer term career perspective - especially if the students are going to community/private practice - does the residency placements make a huge difference?

  4. My observation is that at mid-lower tier MD schools (ranking 70+), ~10-15% students end up in competitive specialties (since surgical subspecialties are over represented among competitive specialties, UMKC may be on the lower end). Schools like WashU, the same could be as high as 30%. So a student may be twice as likely to match into competitive specialty at WashU (but getting into those schools may also be far less likely and may need an average of 2 gap years which could mean 4 extra years compared to UMKC). Is it worth spending 2 gap years trying to get into WashU or spending an extra year at research at UMKC for a competitive specialty? (the end result of both gap year and research year are uncertain outcome)

I very much know that Wash U’s medical school is quite different from UMKC’s med school and that they’re not in the same tier when it comes to allopathic medical schools. My point is more to point out differences, although stark differences, in match lists among different medical schools so the people can better see gradation in match quality. That is why I also mentioned Mizzou as well, which is in the state. Keep in mind that a lot of students now (about 40%) come from the regional (Arkansas, Kansas, Illinois, Nebraska or Oklahoma) category and out-of-state (any state that isn’t Missouri or in regional) category combined. So many of them have to decide whether going to UMKC would be a step up or a step down to attending the medical school in their home state.

My guess is they have not been uploaded yet for 2024, but you can see previous Wash U match lists from 2019-2023 here: Student Outcomes - Medical Student Admissions. Residency placements more matter with respect to quality of residency training which can then open doors later.

As I mentioned before in my match analysis of this year’s match list, the question isn’t about the people who are AOA or at the top of the medical school class. Those people will almost always do relatively well (there have been exceptions) in the residency match compared to their peers, both in terms of the specialties that are potentially still available to them, as well as the actual programs and institutions that they match into. That being said, even AOA candidates at different institutions are not treated the same. The question is about those who are in the top half of the class or right in the middle of the class. Are competitive specialties still available to them at UMKC in the way they would be for someone coming from another medical school? That can be harder to tease out as a science, but this is where looking at distribution in terms of geography and specialties overall is key.

More students now at UMKC are also willing to put off graduation by 1 year (or more) that was not the case before. At many other medical schools that’s not necessary as they build those connections DURING their 4 years of medical school because their home medical school has a clinical department and residency.

Congratulations to everyone who accepted their acceptance into the UMKC BA/MD program and will be matriculating in the Fall. If you have any questions or need advice heading into Year 1, please post in the thread (you can also private message me through College Confidential as well).

I did this back in 2015/2016 (when this thread was VERY VERY active!), but I shared Google Word documents of advice for incoming UMKC BA/MD students in navigating the program and a list of life skills (sometimes you’ll hear it called “adulting”) to work on and learn with help from your parents, for several months before you officially start in the Fall. There are things like grocery shopping, doing your own laundry, driving, cooking, car maintenance, etc. to make the transition to college and medical school easier. I’ll go through and update it and post it this week.

Also if applicants/parents still have questions about the UMKC BA/MD program itself, as a new application cycle will be starting up in the upcoming months, feel free to continue asking those as well.

Could the geographical distribution of residencies from UMKC students could be due to two factors

  1. 90% of UMKC students are from central plain states (MO,IL,KS,OK,AR,NE).
  2. considering the fact that the physician shortage is more acute in these areas vs oversaturated markets in east/west coasts (with a higher COL).

Also, with the recent laws to let IMGs to practice without residency in US (passed in TN and FL in a very bi-partisan vote), it will be interesting to see how long these competitive specialties can remain “competitive”. Same for insisting on 4+4+2 gap year model for training on the basis of “maturity” when average IMG coming through this new path would have completed their med school in 6 years like any UMKC student (and their 6 year most likely includes 1 year internship as well).

The other interesting part - not strictly related to residencies, but overall competitiveness of a matriculant - is that most of these “regional” states don’t seem to have any reciprocal quota for MO students. KS, OK, AR seem to fill 75-90% of the seats in their state schools with instate students for their 4 year program. IL reserves all the BS/MD states at UIC to instate students (and all seats at SIU springfield are reserved for IL residents). Mizzou accepts 85% students instate, but it is much smaller school compared to instate schools in KS, OK or AR (and each of these states have half the population of MO).

Last year, KU had 447 instate applicants, 311 had an interview and 157 matriculated. Prior years’ stats are even better for KS residents. KS with less than half the population of MO has almost as many instate med school seats as the two MO state schools combined(211 vs 250). So is there a significant difference in the quality of matriculants between these state schools? If the possibility of getting into UMKC is 8-10%, chances for a KS resident getting into KU med school is 35-40%. So I am not sure how UMKC student could be any less competitive than a KU student when it finally comes to the residency stage. Is there such a huge variation in training across these two state schools that are probably 30 miles apart?

Physician shortages have always been the case in certain areas. That’s a separate discussion from residency training, which is applied through the NRMP match process and after residency completion, which you can move anywhere to practice.

The state laws you’re referring to are quite specific and restrictive on who it applies to, many of them being provisional licenses: https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/109168. These laws can also easily change and do based on circumstances when a law is implemented, so it’s a little risky to go by when it comes to future career plans: https://missouriindependent.com/2023/05/19/missouri-bill-tightens-licensing-rules-in-wake-of-gop-lawmakers-medical-fraud-conviction/. Also keep in mind that this is just to get a license. That’s the MINIMUM. Being hired by a hospital system is an entirely different question. You can have a license, but it’s pretty useless if a healthcare system won’t hire you because they don’t want to take on the malpractice risk due to lack of American residency training.

The reason why UMKC takes a lot more non-Missouri students now (it used to be like the other states you mentioned – 90% in-state in Missouri, 10% out-of-state), is mainly due to state legislature funding issues. The regional tuition category at UMKC SOM first started in Fall 2007 (so Class of 2013 was the very first graduating class to have all 6 years under this system): News : University of Missouri - Kansas City. It essentially allowed more tuition revenue to be brought into the medical school while keeping relatively same number of BA/MD students matriculating, as medical schools can’t just approve drastic increases on their own.

Medical schools can vary widely across different metrics and program directors at residency programs understand this. Different medical schools also have different access when it comes to resources like clinical departments/residencies, research and mentoring opportunities, etc. It’s not about med school admissions stats that you listed (as residencies don’t care about that stuff at that point) which are not really factored in. This is why researching different medical schools (as different medical schools have different strengths and weaknesses) is very critical and the AAMC has a great list to keep it organized: Selecting a Medical School: 35 Questions I Wish I Had Asked | Students & Residents

Hi, I’m OOS candidate waitlisted. Do you know when they will notify the waitlisted candidates. From the reddit survey 6 accepted candidates are denying their offer. So 6 seats should open up. Any experienced member could shed some light?

Hey @Tennis891! Glad to help.

So in the past, the way it has worked is after May 1st (when everyone who has gotten a UMKC BA/MD acceptance has either accepted the offer or turned down the offer), the medical school looks at their incoming matriculating Year 1 BA/MD class to see how many spots are open in the in-state, regional, and out-of-state categories. They then look at the waitlist for each of those separate categories and go down the list and ONLY communicate with those being extended an offer. The waitlists are not combined, meaning if there is an open out-of-state BA/MD spot, they won’t fill that spot with an in-state or regional student, for example. As you can imagine, it can very much vary year to year of just how far they have to go down the waitlist.

New students offered admission then have two weeks to respond to the offer. Once the two weeks are up, they evaluate the class again to see if there are any remaining spots to be filled. If there are still remaining spots, the process above is repeated. Once they fill the class (which can be anywhere from 105 – 110 students), they then send an email to anyone remaining on the waitlist to let them know the class is full and no other offers will be made. So if you’re on the waitlist waiting and have not heard anything, you’re not going to get an email telling you of your status every time the process starts, if that makes sense. They do not over-extend offers, meaning they make the exact number of offers for the spots that are available. The entire process (meaning from May 2nd until they send the email to anyone remaining on the waitlist, to let them know the class is full and no other offers will be made) usually is complete by about early to mid-July at the latest.

Hope that helps in terms of giving you a general idea of how the BA/MD waitlist process has worked in the past. It’s very much a rolling admissions process, and I know it’s not very fun. Best of luck to you! If you have any other questions, feel free to ask, as that is what forums like these are for.

Thank you Roentgen. As always, your answers are very detailed covering all aspects of the question.

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Just a search in reddit shows waitlisted candidates from all categories getting offers at least 2 weeks ago (I m assuming the original deadline may have been earlier than 5/1 by at least 10 days - based on those dates).

https://www.reddit.com/r/bsmd/comments/1c9jt6y/umkc_waitlist/

If 6 OOS candidates declined and another 6 who were willing to go got those offers, at this point it may be done.

@Tennis891 - Based on that reddit thread, looks like waitlisted candidates have to respond by 5/10 - so they may have 3 weeks to make a decision.

Hopefully you get something early next week based on that reddit thread. Looks like OOS acceptance is fairly low based on what you posted (if 6 out of 15 or so decline). Good luck!