undergrad music ed - any other recommendations?

<p>JR HS student...Honors student/AP classes, SAT based on PSAT should be around 1900;
10 years private lessons flute and piano... I am finishing up visitations to universities, having looked at good undergrad music programs, esp those with good flute studios. Will definitely go into music ed....</p>

<p>Visited so far:Penn State, JMU, UNCG, U of Del, and West Chester...(also Ithaca but I did not like it...found it to be very snobby!). My goal is a good foundation undergrad so I can go on to grad school, want to be challenged in my flute technique/performance but I am not conservatory level...nor do I want that. I love playing flute, sax, clarinet, piano and want to teach, direct, conduct...wherever music leads me. Need competitive program, of course, but also want to continue loving music and not be in a "cutthroat" environment. </p>

<p>Suggestions for any other good university undergrad music depts, strong flute professors, decent size undergrad program (200 - 500 students), suburban/rural campus, preferbably mid/atlantic or New England area, and not too steep tuition (we can't afford Carnegie Mellon even if I could get in!!) I would like to visit at least 2 or 3 more this summer.</p>

<p>thanks for all the great info in this forum. It has helped a lot.</p>

<p>Are you in PA ?</p>

<p>yes, live in pa but looking along east coast area.</p>

<p>University of CT (Storrs campus) has strong music ed program
Home</a> | Department of Music | UConn</p>

<p>Mansfield University.
SUNY Fredonia might extend across the border rates depending on where you live in PA.
There is SUNY Potsdam, Ken Andrews is noted as an excellent flute teacher even as out of state it's not that bad.</p>

<p>flute-girl, you might find some useful info here.</p>

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<p>If not mentioned, throw in Hartt with Greig Shearer and Janet Arms, Syracuse, Rutgers/Mason Gross, Temple, Drexel. I'm more than happy to answer music ed pecific questions, but there are others here with better knowledge of flute faculty than I.</p>

<p>As for UCONN, the music ed is fine. My concern is overall quality of instrumental peer level. From a performance pursuit standpoint, I've found the program unimpressive. Also, it's a tough academic (and expensive) option for OOS admits.</p>

<p>Not sure if you would consider George Mason University, but it was ranked the US News #1 up and coming university in nation.....the flute professor is absolutely WONDERFUL...name is Judith Lapple.</p>

<p>I'd add Duquesne and Towson to your list. Duq has been placing 100% of its music ed grads for several years straight (think they said five at audition info session); Towson educates more music teachers in Maryland than anywhere else. Very different campuses (and tuition rates since Duq is private and Towson is a state school). Can't speak to flute programs at either, however. My son will be attending Duq in the fall, and we live close to Towson. If I can answer any questions please send me a PM.</p>

<p>As long as you are in PA, how about IUP? My D has had a great freshman year there. She is a singer, so I can't speak specifically to flute. The facilities are newly renovated and beautiful (also all-Steinway school), everyone seems very nice. If strong non-music academics are important to you, you can consider the Honors College, which has a very good reputation and draws many out of state students. They are investing huge amounts of money in the campus. Very reasonable costs for in-staters. D chose it over both Fredonia and Ithaca. I don't believe any of our NY state schools give in state rates to out of staters.</p>

<p>does anyone know about the flute studios at either Butler (IN) or Baldwin Wallace (OH) I have been getting great recommendations from this forum for my continued search for music ed undergrad programs. I was advised by my flute and piano teachers to look only at large universities because they would have more opportunities for performing, larger full time faculty, etc. however, I don't want to dismiss a smaller college if the music dept is good and makes up a big part of the undergrad school. thanks for all the responses to my posts/questions!</p>

<p>In regards to the UCONN music ed program...
I go to EO Smith high school which is about 12 ft away from the UCONN music building. Therefore, every year my high school music program (band/chorus/orchestra) has several music ed majors from UCONN do their student teaching in my school. They are all wonderful and have all gotten jobs in very good schools before they graduated. Although music performance isn't very strong, music ed is definitely up to par with any of the other schools that are mentioned. In addition, I study with Greig Shearer at the Hartt School (I also play the flute!) and am affiliated with the Hartt school community division. I know several people who participated in the commmunity division ensembles from a young age who applied to both Hartt and UCONN for music ed and chose to go to UCONN because 1) UCONN gave them a lot more money 2) UCONN is considered better for music ed in our area. However, if you were to apply music performance (which it doesn't sound like you want to do that), then Hartt is by far a much better school for that. Just thought I should let you know not to knock UCONN off your list just yet if you are really serious about music ed! :)</p>

<p>I can ask my younger D's flute teacher about BW's flute studio if you like, just PM me. Her teacher has many good connections there & with CIM and the Cleveland Orchestra. The Musdic Ed program is thought of highly at BW as well..</p>

<p>I have heard some of the flute students at BW perform and they are imho outstanding.</p>

<p>We recently met the asst principal flutist with the Cleveland Orchestra (younger D was in a Masterclass with her & three other students) and she was truly astonishing. She has her Masters from Rice and her Bachelors from San Diego State.</p>

<p>Note that of all the schools my older D appplied to last year BW was the only one where the Dept Head interviewed each candidate for 15-20 minutes each.</p>

<p>My older D is in Music Ed (vocal) at Otterbein (near Columbus Oh) and she is very happy with the program, however I do not believe the the flute studios there would be what you desire.</p>

<p>JD</p>

<p>thanks for the input on uconn. I am planning to attend a week of flute master classes at western connecticut state univ this summer so I think we will take a side trip and look at uconn. thanks for the info.</p>

<p>No problem... You must be talking about the Julius Baker Masterclass. I am most likely going to be there too! :)</p>

<p>yes, that's it exactly. are you doing any other "flute" intensives this summer? I am going to try to make it to NYC for a day for the convention (can't afford much more than that in NYC!) btw, do you happen to know anything more details about the flute studio at UCONN and/or the flute professor there? I have found in my visits that the flute professor at each school has made a huge difference in the way I feel about the school itself. thanks again for your input.</p>

<p>I went to Interlochen last summer and I went to another smaller music camp the year before, so I decided to stay home and give myself time to prepare for college auditions. I don't know much about the flute teacher at UCONN since I study with principal of HSO, Greig Shearer. However, I do know that Barbara Hopkins (flute teacher at UCONN) is active in her playing (2nd chair in HSO). I have heard various things about her, but it seems like you would actually have to meet her in order to determine if she is the right teacher for you or not. Just as an aside, it seems like you want a school with a strong flute program but you can still pursue your other musical interests and I would definitely say that UCONN would be a place where you could do that and still learn something. Also, the campus is rural and very nice like you mentioned you wanted. :)</p>