Undergraduate Institutions Supplying Applicants to U.S. Medical Schools

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<p>Again like the Open Door 2012 data, this information is not necessarily indicative of how successful a pre-med program is at certain schools. A lot of the applicants are attributed to size of the institution(however there are exceptions - consult a list of largest universities to compare and contrast). Still, those of you considering going to medical school should take a look at this information. It may be worth while to note how many students successfully complete a degree and apply to medical school. The average GPA needed for medical school ia 3.73 more or less. A school’s pre-med program usually weeds out those who do not at meet the MCAT or GPA requirement for medical school. Remember, that pre-dental, pre-pharmacy, pre-optometry and some Physician Assistant programs also require pre-req coursework in biology, chemistry, organic chemistry, math and biochemistry. </p>

<p>This information is also not indicative of ACCEPTANCES by medical schools. This data is difficult to come by due to most students not being accepted. It’s a privacy violation, but some schools do publish this information. When you’re doing your college searches be sure to look into that.</p>

<p>Undergraduate Institutions Supplying Applicants to U.S. Medical Schools by Applicant Race and Ethnicity, 2011:</p>

<p><a href=“https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/86042/table2.html[/url]”>https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/86042/table2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Here is other data compiled by the AAMC:
<a href=“https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/[/url]”>https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Happy hunting class of 2017!</p>

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<p>Bumping</p>

<p>I find it hard to believe that no one is interested in this, despite the objective pre-med threads on here.</p>

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<p>[Top</a> 20 Pre-Med Schools in America](<a href=“http://www.america.edu/top_20_pre-med_schools_in_america.html]Top”>Top 20 Pre-Med Schools in America - America Education)</p>

<p>I don’t know how reliable this website is, but it ends in “.edu”</p>

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<p>While I’m glad to see my alma matar UGA high on the list, I have to agree with you that this is just indicative of how large the school is. </p>

<p>You would have to match up the class size/biology graduates to obtain an objective % of students applying to medical school. </p>

<p>Still, it’s a half-decent measure for high school students applying to colleges. This way you can at least get a feel for how large the pre-med community is at these schools. It may point to better research and volunteering opportunities as well as student organizations for pre-med students. There is power in numbers I suppose. </p>

<p>Go Dawgs!
Good luck to all applicants</p>

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<p>It’s not that folk aren’t interested, it’s just that the data by undergrad school is nearly worthless to an individual (which everyone who has taken AP Stats is well aware of).</p>

<p>For example, UGA’s numbers are mostly/only of interest to state residents. </p>

<p>Many undergrad schools have screening committees which discourage students with low stats from applying.</p>

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<p>In my home state, such numbers mean a LOT of gunners in the large premed classes. :)</p>

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<p>Oh yes that’s true, but having gunners in your class isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I don’t know how we have gotten to being a society afraid of challenge and competition. Medicine is certainly not for you if you don’t enjoy both aspects of the work. This is especially getting true for private practice folks. Most of those people who you would consider a gunner get into medical school, and that’s the bottom line. Especially if you wish to specialize and match into a competitive field you need to start early. </p>

<p>Now, you don’t want to be in a “gunner” environment 24/7, but you do want others to push you and you them. ESPECIALLY for your pre-requirement courses(the 400 person lecture hall courses). It’s sort of like working out, you’re more likely to push yourself if you’re working out with someone than alone. You’re also more likely to encounter research and volunteering opportunities that may not be as easily available at a small liberal arts college. As well as clubs, medical schools are trying to take a more “holistic” approach to applicants as indicated by their recent change to the MCAT. </p>

<p>The fact of the matter is when you apply to medical school, you’re going to be competing with that drunk bum from bumblewood university as you are the summa cum laude from Columbia. Being a big fish in a big pond is more impressive than being a big fish in a small pond.</p>

<p>I wouldn’t call this data worthless. It isn’t. It’s an interesting figure, which is why the AAMC has published this information. Believe it or not, they actually don’t have a lot of discretional spending to waste on unneeded information. </p>

<p>Since the pre-med track has such a high attrition it’s interesting to see how many applicants even get to apply to medical school. I’d be willing to bet most of these state schools have biology and business listed as most declared major. Graduate applications are very expensive, time-consuming and stressful. Someone who has taken the MCAT, written their personal statement and has collected letters of recommendation from their respective pre-med committees and professors then that show that they at least “made it” through the curriculum. They’re serious about becoming a physician. </p>

<p>Most universities have a pre-med/pre-dental committee of some kind. Usually they won’t let lost causes apply(i.e. people with low GPA and MCAT scores). The numbers may be of interest to us because it may reveal a pre-med “community” in schools you may not guess. It is also indicative of how many of these science majors may be pre-dental or pre-pharmacy for students interested in those fields. </p>

<p>Not to mention, this data is very useful for minorities who may not feel comfortable in a majority environment. I would guess that’s why this data set was published. I don’t think it’s really for students to select their undergraduate school but more for the sake of diversity in the physician force.</p>

<p>Data is all about your interpretation. Your AP statistics course clearly failed to teach you critical thinking.</p>

<p>Like I said, it’s about finding a school of best fit. If you’re unhappy then you will do much worse in school. Some people enjoy grand flagship football schools and research universities. Others may thrive in a small private liberal arts college environment. It all depends on what your end goal is.</p>

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<p>With all due respect, your post is entirely assumptions/opinions. Nothing wrong with posting opinions – I do it all of the time – but “facts” they are not. :)</p>

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<p>And you get pre-pharm and pre-dent students from amcas data, how?</p>

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<p>You can get pre-pharm, pre-dental estimations by setting standards and calculating. How many white people graduated from Florida in 2011? How many biology majors graduated in 2011? How many applied to medical school? You can ESTIMATE the number of pre-pharmacy or pre-dental students, but really what you can find is what percentage of biology(or science majors) applied to medical school for that year. It’s just information guys. It’s not an end-all be-all for college searches.</p>

<p>You didn’t source anything either.</p>

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<p>I go to SPSU in Georgia, and I’m surprised UGA sent out more black applicants than Georgia State did. Georgia State is a research university around 40% black. UGA is predominantly white and asian/indian. </p>

<p>Interesting numbers
Go Dawgs</p>

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<p>This is got to be the biggest nonsense I’ve ever heard. What the heck is “pre-med community” anyway? Are they loving and supportive? :rolleyes:</p>

<p>The research opportunities depend on how many research projects and fundings faculty get. It got nothing to do with how many premeds are there. Therefore, the more premeds the school has, the less the research opportunities available PER premed. This is probably one of the reasons why large state schools do NOT do well compared to privates. Not to mention the annoying downside of the huge premed classes. OTOH, the LACs, even the ones not among the top, seem to do very well in med school placement.</p>

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<p>As bluebayou would say: “source?”</p>

<p>I’m sorry. Most of what you said is incorrect Sam. A pre-med community refers to a strong presence of extracurricular activities for pre-medical students as well as a high representation of pre-med students. Yes, this means lecture hall courses and gunners, and it also means a large and active AMSA chapter(I can’t tell you how generic pre-med club activities get after a while in the eyes of admissions), robust clinical volunteering and shadowing opportunities(at the hospital and private practice level), tutoring and study programs(usually linked with honors programs) for pre-medical students, a wide offering of upper level elective courses geared towards pre-med students (think surgical anatomy, pharmacology, medicinal chemistry(for pharmacy folks), advanced pathology and maybe even advanced histology). Larger schools generally have more opportunities for research. </p>

<p>Sit on several medical school adcom before jumping to conclusions. </p>

<p>While we’re on the topic, I can promise you that you do not want to take out loans for private school education if you’re planning on applying to dental, medical or pharmacy school. Some private schools do a great job, but others do not. Great job or not, it is NOT worth the extra money regardless of who’s paying. Small liberal arts schools will not give you the research opportunities you’re looking for, and private schools like Emory and NYU will cost you an arm and a leg when you can get the same education and more opportunities for 1/4 the price. Public education is your friend, friend. </p>

<p>You know how they say doctors are bad with money? Well, they’re right. Don’t start problems while you’re in undergrad.</p>

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<p>You can easily google the source for the following premed placement stats:
Small schools<br>
Augustana College 70%
Weber College 78%
Concordia College 88%
Missouri S&T (public with 5,700 students) 75%</p>

<p>The Big<br>
Michigan 55%
Michigan (MCAT 31-33, GPA 3.60-3.79) 74%
Texas A&M 66%
UCLA 55%
UCLA (MCAT 30-34, GPA 3.6-3.79) 71%
UCLA (MCAT 30-34, GPA 3.8-3.89) 59%
Berkeley 56%
Berkeley (MCAT 30-34, GPA 3.6-3.79) 67%
Berkeley (MCAT 30-34, GPA 3.8-3.89) 77%</p>

<p>National
National Average 45%
National (MCAT 30-32, GPA 3.60-3.79) 72%</p>

<p>Note how I didn’t even purposely pick the top-30 privates; most people never even heard of these small schools. Note also how Missouri S&T, a public school of similar size to mid-sized privates, also does fairly well.</p>

<p>Apparently, these so-called “top” premed schools based on numbers of applicants don’t really have significantly higher placement rates than the national average. Oh, I bet there’s a reason really why UGA doesn’t mention anything about their placement rate. I am sure you know the answer. ;)</p>

<p>I am all for getting the least amount of debts. But that’s a different topic and many private schools <em>can</em> be cheaper, especially for those from low-income families.</p>

<p>Who cares about those elective courses like surgical anatomy, pharmacology, medicinal chemistry(for pharmacy folks), advanced pathology and maybe even advanced histology? Do you really want to narrow yourself with these classes during your precious undergrad years when you are going to spend several years in medical/pharma schools?</p>