University Hires Only Profs Who Want To Teach; Admits Only Students Who Want To Learn

<p>“One of the unique features of UMR is the absence of academic departments … so the faculty is all one team rather than a group of jealous departments. Another remarkable feature of UMR is its approach to tenure. …”</p>

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<p>Interesting, although calling it a University might be a stretch in the normal scheme of things, since its goals are entirely health care oriented. Reminds me of Webb Institute a little, but perhaps somewhat more broad. Not for everyone, but pretty interesting idea.</p>

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<p>Of course, it is easy to have “one team rather than a group of jealous departments” when you only offer ONE degree (B.S. in Health Sciences)!</p>

<p>Also, the overall concept of hiring professors for their teaching skills and organizing faculty outside of traditional departments is not so radical. Any one of the so-called “New Colleges” does the same thing, based on a model developed in the late 1950s and early 1960s ([New</a> College Plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_College_Plan]New”>New College Plan - Wikipedia)), such as:</p>

<p>Hampshire College
New College of Florida
The Evergreen State College</p>

<p>I am only familiar with Hampshire College, and they too do not have traditional academic departments. As a matter of fact, there are no ‘majors’; as students are expected to collaborate with faculty advisers to design an integrated and coordinated course of study that leads to a degree concentrated on several disciplines. The faculty are chosen for their teaching ability, and students are chosen based on their ability to learn independently and collaboratively. Our son and daughter went to Hampshire College and both earned a fine education that has equipped them well for the future.</p>

<p>So, UM Rochester sounds like an interesting place, but not so radical.</p>

<p>Hiring faculty who want to teach is also the primary criterion for many teaching-centered universities and private LACs …including top-tier ones. </p>

<p>A younger classmate who was a student rep on the hiring committee interviewing prospective faculty at our LAC recalled seeing how this criterion was used by faculty and student reps on the hiring committee to select new faculty members.</p>

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<p>This is the closest-to-“radical” part for me. The school has a laser focus on what it wants to offer its students academically, and is not investing resources in all the amenities that most college consumers want. Very interesting.</p>

<p>Sigh. After H’s “back to school” college wide and departmental meetings yesterday, I’m sure he would love to teach at a place like that, where the emphasis is truly on teaching and education.</p>

<p>Haha, the headline looks like something from The Onion. What a concept!</p>

<p>My undergrad (and where I currently go for my masters) places equal weight to research and teaching performance in tenure decisions… a lot better than many but, then again, I go to a major research university.</p>

<p>How can they tell if a Professor wants to teach?</p>

<p>Very limited college experience, especially if all students are in something medically related. I am so glad that as a physician I was exposed to so may diverse courses and students along with so much outside of class while a chemistry major. Not much to Rochester, MN outside of Mayo and this is more the prairie part of MN as well. I benefited from being able to do course work in grad labs. Not surprising to have high attrition rates as students figure out their goals.</p>

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<p>I guess they look for ones who don’t have any research grants.</p>

<p>That’s an interesting model but adopting it would be disastrous for any university that wanted to produce high impact research (also non- teaching profs research generally have to train the graduate students in their lab which is equally as important as lecturing to undergrads). Also abandoning the departmental model would be an administrative nightmare for most universities. It only works here because UMR has a very narrow field of focus. In short interesting concept but unlikely to spread to most colleges and universities.</p>

<p>FYI from my experience as a graduate student at a big research intense university there is a LOT of cross-communication between different departments at the graduate level. Frankly virtually every lab has collaborators on a project in another lab or even another university. It is necessary because different labs do not always have all the equipment they need for a particular experiment or the training and experience needed to run a particular experiment. Also for citations in high impact papers in journals such as Nature or Science you need generally collaboration because the volume of work and high level of quality of research demanded by said journals.</p>

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<p>The way it was done at my LAC and possibly other LAC/teaching centered universities is to have the professor teach a few sample classes with the hiring committee and interested students and a couple of evaluative interviews. </p>

<p>A younger college classmate who served as a student rep on one such committee wrote in a college publication how they eliminated a few prospective Professors right away because it came through in the interview and sample classes that they had little/no interest in teaching undergrads. Was a bit puzzling as if that’s the case, why would they bother applying to a college where teaching undergrads is clearly prioritized???</p>

<p>hillsdale college also sets itself apart</p>

<p>The author is completely wrong that tenure decisions “rest overwhelmingly on how much research the faculty member publishes.”</p>

<p>This is only true for relatively few universities and colleges, the most research-oriented ones.</p>

<p>Most colleges either base tenure on a combination of teaching and research (and quality is important in both) or on teaching and service activities.</p>

<p>Any top private LAC falls in the first category. Public LAC like SUNY-Purchase and UMaine-Farmington fall in the first one but with a bit less emphasis on research.</p>

<p>“How can they tell if a Professor wants to teach?” - Probably because hey are willing to work without possibility of tenure/security.</p>

<p>it’s a University of Minnesota campus, so I don’t think that’s the case. It’s specified in the article that tenure is based on teaching, teaching research/experimentation, as well as subject-based research.</p>

<p>This is essentially a medical vocations trade school piggybacking off Mayo resources. That’s fine, but it’s not a “university” in any common sense of the word. It’s a U of M extension school for allied health studies. I don’t think you can draw any big broad conclusions about the state of higher ed from it.</p>

<p>Colleges and universities are almost always an assemblage of numerous departments, each requiring considerable overhead expenses, and often squabbling among themselves for money and prestige.</p>

<p>Sometimes, but not always. And yes, this makes sense for a college that has 475 students, one major and a handful of faculty. My university has nearly 4,000 full-time faculty members. They need to have separate administrative units - how are the English faculty going to decide what’s appropriate teaching and research methods for the ecology faculty, and vice versa?</p>

<p>Moreover, their published research often has nothing to do with knowledge that is useful in the teaching of undergraduates.</p>

<p>This is absurd. I’m not even a full faculty member - I’m a graduate student who has taught and TAed classes - and I have found that my research is reciprocal with my teaching. When I teach lectures about public health, I don’t just teach what I’ve read in books, I can teach the things I have actually discovered and have experience with or things I have discussed with colleagues. When my students ask me questions that touch the edge of knowledge in my field, I can offer educated speculation based on my own knowledge of what my lab and others are doing to advance the field. And I’ve watched the big researchers in my department teach - they use their own research, and the research of their colleagues and advisors, very prominently in their work.</p>

<p>Even when I’m teaching something like basic introductory statistics, I use my research experience. To my students then it’s not just abstract facts/equations that they are learning but I teach them how these techniques are applied in the real world, both in basic science and in applied settings.</p>

<p>Most universities have post-tenure review. The idea that tenured faculty just “coast” is a myth; studies have been done that show that tenured faculty are often more productive than their untenured counterparts. In addition to doing more research, they are also expected to serve on more administrative committees and do more work within their fields (heading associations, organizing symposia or entire conferences, serving as expert witnesses, etc.)</p>

<p>Also, the author assumes that the high attrition rate is due to “too much work and too little fun for quite a few.” I’m imagining that it has more to do with the fact that UMR is a branch campus, and many students may have started there with the intention to transfer to UMN’s main campus - or that it’s new and new organizations almost always have some kinks to work out.</p>

<p>A younger college classmate who served as a student rep on one such committee wrote in a college publication how they eliminated a few prospective Professors right away because it came through in the interview and sample classes that they had little/no interest in teaching undergrads. Was a bit puzzling as if that’s the case, why would they bother applying to a college where teaching undergrads is clearly prioritized???</p>

<p>Because academic positions are scarce, and some people are willing to teach anywhere just to be a professor. Their first aim may be a research institution, but those jobs are extremely competitive and limited. The vast majority of higher education institutions are teaching-oriented, so if a person really wants to be a professor, they’d do well to apply to those places too. Although it does baffle me why a person would want to be a professor SO BADLY if they don’t like teaching, since only a relative handful of professors work at places where they teach fewer than three classes a semester - and even then, at my top RU/VH university, the professors teach two classes a semester!</p>

<p>Julliet: "Was a bit puzzling as if that’s the case, why would they bother applying to a college where teaching undergrads is clearly prioritized</p>

<p>Unfortunately professors will want to go wherever is most prestigious, and will put up with teaching if that’s what it takes…even if they are not good at teaching</p>