Given there are 98000 applicants, from Jan to March is maybe 50 working days, 8 hrs, 480 mins per day, u have 24000 working mins, I simply can not see any thorough review without pre screening especially if it has to review by committee,
Core. Their not recalculating like gym class
They hire a ton of people. Call and ask them. I am sure there is a cut off of some type. I am sure there will be more denials this year also since more schools are going Pre admit like School of Information Ross, etc. They have a system that works evidently. Many kids apply to a lot of schools then get accepted elsewhere and pull their application. But of course lot’s don’t. It would be interesting to know how many apps fall by the wasteside. Lots of families realize they can’t afford the school and pull their apps also. But I get it. It seems overwhelming.
Also thorough… I think each app has less then 10 minutes. They and most schools have a system that works. They know the metrics they are looking for and even when ready essays on here for the last two years it’s quickly evident to tell between a great essay and a not so good one. I assume it’s the same for reading the apps.
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This is old but it’s still relevant. It’s funny since it’s the year my son got accepted EA, 2017 with a total of 50,000 application which was a lot back then and actually kinda easy to determine who would get in by chance threads… Lol.
These conversations take place every year especially with the 100k+ application schools. In addition to the many temp-readers hired every season, the reality is that there are many ‘easy no’ type applications, especially with the rise of TO. It may only take 2-3 minutes to discern this. So the 8/10/12 minute average read time some of these schools seem to have may in fact be more like 15/20 minutes for a yes or maybe type application.
Also, a factor often missed is the use of what I think of as “easy technology.” So I’m not talking about AI making judgement calls. I’m talking about things like when an application lands in a reader’s portal, everything is already calculated and presented in a tidy manner. Not all that many years ago, AOs spent a LOT of time doing what amounts to data entry. Point being they’re way more productive now than they used to be. Individual throughput is probably on the order of 2x if not higher than just a few years back. I know this from my alma mater.
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Wow! Great article. Share what you do outside the classroom, how it impacted you and/or your community and the ways you’ll bring that energy and commitment to the Michigan campus.
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Schools like Michigan like kids that are active in high school. That can mean just about anything. Usually those students become active participants in the college community. They like kids that make things happen. That can mean being a President of a club or an active part of the club. Leaders and Best is a real thing at the school.
My son has taken , including senior year, 10 AP courses and took 5 Post-AP courses. Somehow Post-AP courses are considered honors level even though they are extremely hard. For example, multivariable calculus, linear algebra, data structures etc. Not sure if it was a mistake to take Post-AP instead of more AP courses. His GPA is 3.95 (Michigan method - one B in AP English). Decent SAT (1520 Math-800). Not sure course work will be considered rigorous because of more post-AP and not AP courses
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Great question and admissions can talk to you about this but my understanding after talking to them about this is… They consider all high school classes first regardless of level. They “would” want to see if he exhausted the high school level AP that the school provides over any that he took outside of this high school first. As an example my sons high school gave multivarible Calc. If your son exhausted the high school math offerings then that would be a reason to go outside of his high school. What he did does show rigor. But also the most AP classes doesn’t win either. It’s all based on your schools report also. The Sat score is great. To me that is the perfect score. The essay and Ecs count but GPA and rigor are the main top things they look at. Good luck to him.
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Post-AP courses are from his high school. He took post-AP math and CS courses in high school instead of AP Econ or AP Environment Science because he wants to do math and CS. Post-AP courses are very difficult compared to AP courses but when reporting to colleges these are reported as honors
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Do you mean Michigan evaluates these classes as such, or that’s how the HS counselor says to report these classes? Either way, that would be odd. Does the school profile and/or course catalog identify post-ap courses? FYI, at the school where I read apps, post AP courses are considered advanced/AP, but sometimes schools don’t make it easy for us to figure out.
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So my son went to an all honors /Ap school. No regular classes.
If the classes your son took were in high school then they all get looked at. You are also correct that he took more rigorous courses then the school allowed for. My son did the same. His school offered like 25 Aps but he took 8. But he took most advanced Math and science. What your son did will make sense to them. Your AO for the school will also have the school report. When you said Post Ap I thought you were talking about DE with college classes. He will be fine amongst the over 55,000 other applications for EA.
One thing to look at is how well your school does historically with Michigan. Also things like what is the school avg GPA /Sat score and where your son lands. Are you in /out of state. It sounds like he is doing great . Always have safeties he really likes also. Good luck.
Not always, our school considers them as advanced which has same weight as AP not honors. In the school profile and the counselors letter it should explain this. For my son taking AP Stats over MV Calculus made no sense because MV is more in line with engineering. Schools aren’t going to ding a student for taking the next progression of a class.
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Thanks. This is helpful. We are out of state. He already got in at his safeties - Ohio State (in-state) and Michigan State. Both are good schools. His school has done well in the past except last year. Used to be 40%- 50% acceptance but it was low last year. Only 15-20 students apply from his school every year.
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He should be eligible for MSU honor’s which usually meets instate tuition BTW plus mentorship and like $5,000 for study abroad… Congratulations on his acceptancew so far. The pressure is at least off.
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Now I’m spiraling and wondering if she should have just applied to SMTD and not LSA at all as she is unlikely to get into LSA and applying for a dual degree may hurt her chances at SMTD…….arghhhh
Are you in-state? Do they even allow you to change your application at this point?
I do not have first-hand experience with the dual program, but there are definitely nuances with admissions and second choice majors. For example, if you apply to Ross and do not get in, but get into your second choice school, they make it nearly impossible for you to switch to Ross once you are on campus - even with a 4.0. Allegedly, they have announced that it is moving from nearly impossible to completely impossible.
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Ross is now direct admit and is do or die for one’s Michigan app. If one doesn’t get admitted to Ross they are denied for Michigan, no more second choice of LSA, etc.
They will still take some internal and external transfer sto Ross, via preferred admission (and articulation agreements w/ Michigan CCs.
3. Select your “U-M First-Year Admitting Unit” or “Preferred Admission” for the Stephen M. Ross School of Business.
Beginning Fall 2024, Michigan Ross will be a First-Year Admitting Unit, meaning that if you wish to enter Michigan Ross in your first year at U-M, you must select “The Stephen M. Ross School of Business” within the “U-M College or School to which you are applying” section of the Common Application.
Preferred Admission will be available through select schools and colleges as a way for you to indicate an interest in enrolling in the BBA program in your sophomore year.
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I’m usually leery about these sorts of pathways as “Plan A.” Seems like schools change these sorts of policies regularly these days, and, even if technically possible, are often prohibitive for one reason or other IRL.
My kids are at UMich and adore it and are thriving and I recommend it wholeheartedly. But if I wanted to focus on e.g. business and didn’t get into Ross straightaway, I’m not sure I’d attend tbh. Obviously it depends on what Plans B are available to you!
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