<p>Sorry to go off track but</p>
<p>Could you rate all ivy football teams from 1-5:
Harvard
Cornell
Princeton
Brown
Dartmouth
Yale
UPenn
Columbia</p>
<p>Which would you see more students coming to the football game and seen wearing their jersey?</p>
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<p>Race64-
Whenever you start a Penn vs. Cornell thread (or any Ivy vs. Cornell thread for that matter) you are going to be faced with College Confidential’s HUGE insecure Cornell population. They live to refute the “worst ivy” stereotype and will make somewhat humorous statements that place Cornell above other schools which (like Penn) are almost unanimously considered stronger than Cornell (although not by a lot).
Please keep in mind, when you get on the Cornell campus (if you choose to go there) this inferiority complex will not be so fiercely obvious, as most of the students are just happy to be where they are.</p>
<p>Anyway, as for football… I know at Penn it’s not as popular as basketball, but still very popular, especially because Penn is tied for #1 this year (with Brown). And Franklin Field (Penn’s football stadium) is easily the biggest, most beautiful stadium in the Ivy League. It actually used to be the Philadelphia Eagle’s home field until they stopped mooching off Penn =)</p>
<p>Goodness…can’t we let this thread die…or have it locked? It obviously went in the wrong direction and then we have posters like the one above come back and make insulting comment. </p>
<p>I reallllly wish I had mod power…lol</p>
<p>dewdrop - didn’t you say that about the other thread too, and look what happened, it got shut down.</p>
<p>I did say that…but instead of waiting for a mod I could do it myself :-D</p>
<p>Although…if I actually had work to do in my lab I wouldn’t be spending obscene amounts of time here and craving mod power…lol.</p>
<p>I don’t know why Cornell students are so insecure (at least on this board). Down here at NYU, we’re proud of our school and we’re ranked wayyyy lower than you guys. When people make fun of Cornell for being in the sticks, everyone gets so mad…if you tell an NYU student we have no campus, we’ll most likely nod, shrug, and talk about how we like being in the city. I guess because we’re nowhere near Ivy league, we’re not constantly compared to HYP.</p>
<p>Well…I don’t think defense of our school makes us insecure. For posters like CayugaRed and myself…Cornell/Ithaca was our home for a few years and we’ve become very loyal alums. So…when a poster comes to this forum and trashes the school or says that Ithaca is a dirty city full of “white trash”…I believe it’s my duty to counter those claims…if I have something substantial to back it up with. Sometimes I do agree with people’s observation of the downsides and sometimes I don’t.</p>
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<p>But that’s exactly the point. Cornell isn’t in the sticks. Ithaca offers amenities that cities five to ten times its size can’t offer.</p>
<p>I don’t think what you see on this board represents insecurity on the part of dew,norcalguy,applejack,or even Tahoe. Rather, it’s the understanding that Cornell is more likely to be misunderstood than many other schools, and our feeling that we should help educate the public.</p>
<p>Frankly, I get fed up at the insecurity of Cornell students as well. But it’s a different type of insecurity that I get fed up with, and certainly doesn’t constitute defending Ithaca or the state colleges. A lot of students go around bemoaning how they got rejected by another school and that Cornell is so hard and that they go to “an Ivy League University” and how they deserve more respect. This is a very small minority at Cornell, but unfortunately it is a vocal minority.</p>
<p>These prestige whores need to grow a back bone. Cornell can more than stand on its own merits and the Ivy League is just a sports conference. Quit whining, study hard, and go out and do something to make Cornell a better place for all.</p>
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<p>When have we ever placed Cornell above Penn or any other school? Most of the Cornell regulars on this board admit that any one of the top twenty to thirty colleges and universities in the country will give you the same basic undergraduate environment. It’s up to you to decide which place is the best fit for you.</p>
<p>Why do the state colleges require so much defending? It’s not like they’re bad schools, yet I’ve seen people on CC bemoan their existence, or else say, “well, cornell’s suny schools…”. They’re not SUNY schools. What’s wrong with govt assistance? If it makes my tuition $16,000 cheaper, that would be awesome. I hope Cornell students don’t view the contract colleges as “lower” or anything.</p>
<p>^ I know, I hear it all the time as well. I’m just so sick of it. I don’t even care anymore. I will be proud to say I am an aggie in a year, no matter what some ivy-league snots have to think about my college. It’s all about happiness and belonging, and as smart as some of the people on this board are, they can’t seem to grasp that fundamental concept.</p>
<p>I view the contract colleges as schools that make Cornell shine around the world. And, as a new immigrant from Asia, I find Cornell to be more well known (that’s not the main reason I am applying for Cornell).</p>
<p>That’s so true grantortue…you’re lucky to have GT. I’m a prospective transfer to HumEc. I’m certainly not gonna take crap from some snot who thinks he’s better than me because his parents are paying more money for him to go major in art history. It’s not like majors in CAS are much stronger than those in CALS, HumEc or ILR.</p>
<p>I think it speaks to a large insecurity on the part of the student body of other top institutions that they feel the need to come onto the Cornell board on CC and “prove” their superiority to us.</p>
<p>I can’t wait to see the look on these people’s faces when they are at a cocktail party, expecting the look of shock and oohs and aahs from the “guy who went to a state school” when they name drop their undergraduate institution, only to be faced by his complete and utter lack of interest.</p>
<p>I turned down UPenn for Cornell. Just felt that at UPenn, non-Wharton students were treated as second class citizens.</p>
<p>You were accepted to Penn as a transfer. Like me ;)</p>
<p>You applied for a reason. Anyhow, I had the same concerns as you, but it’s not really the case. Wharton is only 30% of the schools, and resources are allocated accordingly. In fact, almost all research funding is non-Wharton related, although they do have one of the newest buildings.</p>
<p>The real reason I was worried about transferring, though, was losing all of my friends. I was able to make new ones.</p>
<p>For my major, Penn is an improvement; for most, it hardly matters (in fact for physics/math, it would be a downgrade).</p>
<p>There’s really no reason to attend a university for any other reason. Cornell is a great place.</p>
<p>^please no one respond</p>
<p>Can a Mod. please lock this thread?</p>
<p>If you remember, the reason for my applying wasn’t because I felt that I was having an unsatisfactory experience at Cornell. I don’t really feel like detailing again why I decided to apply. Anyway, I don’t believe either school is better than the other.</p>
<p>Post #74 made some historical assertions that I would like to amend, for the record. To wit:</p>
<p>"Just so guys don’t get to proud of yourselves, Brown was NEVER one of the easiest Ivies to get into, it was always Cornell. "</p>
<p>for the record:
<p>Here are some Arts & Sciences admit %s and SAT averages from about 1971. Source Cass & Birnbaum college guides of the time, you can get one from the library to verify if you like. Note, at the time Wharton stats were undoubtedly weaker than these; the business major was held in relatively low esteem.</p>
<p>Columbia 34% 1360
Cornell 36% 1342
Penn 41% 1273</p>
<p>2) Regarding Brown’s history, here is an article I found on a newsgroup site:</p>
<p>" The story of how Brown has come to attract ambitious self-starters as
applicants is well-told in Bill Mayher’s 1998 book, The College Admissions
Mystique. In 1969, Brown’s new admissions director James Rogers decided that
he ought to be able to exploit the Magaziner-Maxwell curriculum to pull
Brown out from underneath the doormat of the Ivy League. And underneath the
doormat is where it was.</p>
<p>When I was applying to colleges at that time, Brown was all but
invisible to the college placement office of my prep school. Between Brown
and the other Ivies in the pecking order there lay twenty schools, including
most of the Seven Sisters, Wesleyan, Haverford, Bowdoin, the service
academies, Reed and other top regional schools, and perhaps five top state
universities. In New England, Brown was considered better than Trinity and
Brandeis, but only barely better. The favorite backup college choices at my
prep school were North Carolina, Wesleyan, Penn, and, believe it or not,
Stanford (which accepted the bottom-ranked person in my class).</p>
<p>In the mid-1960s Wesleyan was enjoying a real vogue. It had got rich
all of a sudden (Xerox stock), had published Norman O. Brown’s Life Against
Death, and was helping invent minority recruitment. Because Middletown is
close to Providence, Wesleyan has always shared its applicant pool with
Brown, and in those days, as Ron Medley may wi****lly recall, Wesleyan was
unquestionably the harder place to get into.</p>
<p>So in 1969, James Rogers of Brown considered his situation and hit on a
plan which is now legendary among admissions officers. He hired members of
the classes of 1970 and 1971 and sent them out on the road to pitch the
Brown Curriculum. Their instructions were to look for students in the second
quintile who were lively interviewees and who showed iconoclastic
tendencies. The Young Turks of the admissions office made a hit wherever
they went and applications rose almost immediately. Rogers was then in a
position to implement phase two. He began rejecting students in the top
quintile who had made Brown their third choice. Word quickly went round the
secondary school placement offices that Brown was no longer easy.</p>
<p>There was another component of the Rogers strategy, one that Bill
Mayher’s book misses. Rogers was a preppy from Taft and understood that it
is preppies who put elite colleges in fashion. Rogers made Brown
prep-friendly. He began to accept twenty and thirty people a year from
Andover, Exeter, Choate, St. Paul’s, and Harvard-Westlake. He made Brown the
first backup choice at the leading schools, and by the mid-1970s, New York,
Los Angeles, and the exurbs of America had gotten the message. The seal of
approval was given in a 1975 article in the Sunday New York Times, titled
“Everybody Wants to Go to Brown.” (There have been many such articles since,
culminating in a perverse extravaganza in last February’s Vanity Fair,
titled “School for Glamour.”) "</p>
<p>Cornell > UPenn</p>
<p>That is all.</p>