<p>Probably half the students at Cornell are engaged in courses of study in majors that are not offered at Penn. There is also a course of study at Penn, nursing, that is not offered at Cornell; likely others as well. Penn has an urban location and Cornell is located in a small upstate city, surrounded by abundant nature. There are likely significantly different costs involved, for the NY residents attending Cornell’s contract colleges. Even where there are programs in common, there may be differences in specifics, strengths, etc. And many other differences between these two universities.</p>
<p>The point being that many people interested in attending Cornell would not even be sufficiently interested enough in attending Penn as an alternative to even apply there, for any or all of the above reasons. And vica versa, no doubt.</p>
<p>The most definitive anti-preference of one university is to not even care enough about it to bother applying there. However, this most definitive non-preference is not captured in cross-admit data.</p>
<p>That’s exactly what I was thinking, monydad. I bet a high % of ppl that apply to both cornell and penn have prestige on their mind. I know ppl that chose state schools over cornell and penn for the reasons listed above. it really depends on the individual and his/her respective situation</p>
<p>I bet a high % a lot of people that have only applied to cornell and not penn or only penn and not cornell have prestige on their mind, as well. money aside, there are very few people who would choose a state school over penn or cornell… its naive to think that’s not the case. go to the st. school forums… most of them settled anyway because they weren’t accepted anywhere better that was worth it.</p>
<p>yeah… well money aside. thats a huge issue today. and i know in ny the SUNYs offer a lot of programs that make more sense to enroll in vs. going to cornell or another school of that magnitude.</p>
<p>That’s the point. I’m not a “pre-professional kid”. I’m an alumni who’s worked side by side graduates of Yale, Harvard, Georgetown, etc… I know what I’m talking about not out of hope or a desire to defend my school’s honor, but out of experience. And these “less intelligent” Cornellians of which you speak certainly aren’t lacking for intelligence in comparison.</p>
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<p>See - that type of student is precisely what I found at Cornell. Big school, different circles. Perhaps there’s a little more grit to their knowledge of the world than would make you comfortable from some, but taken together it’s a broader spectrum of worldviews and values of what is important to be obsessed about than just a collection of people from a similar background. I guess some people see the value in that and others don’t - perhaps you wish everyone to be like you. I guess Cornell would make anybody unhappy in such a situation.</p>
<p>The question though - why don’t you leave this forum if that’s what you wish? You’ve been on here for countless months bashing the school and you keep coming back. There’s something in your psychology that makes you have to establish Cornell as inferior for some reason, despite all evidence to the contrary. If you were talking Harvard or MIT then I’d agree. But UPenn? uh uh.</p>
<p>Alumnus? Alumna? [commentary: this is what I was talking about when I said cultural literacy; knowing how to use common Latin phrases and words]</p>
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<p>Of course; your personal anecdotes suffice as scientific proof. We’ll ignore the minor orthographic slip up above.</p>
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<p>Actually, in terms of selectivity and wealth, there’s a ton of evidence of difference. Every metric place Penn in the top 10 for undergrad selectivity; Cornell generally comes in between 15 and 21. In the Atlantic selectivity ranking, as I recall, it was tied with Georgetown for 20th; Penn was 7th.</p>
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<p>Haha, OK.
That’s a nice belief, but it’s been since refuted by the revealed preference study of 2004 (Penn is over-preferred by a landslide, and that was 5 years ago), not to mention a large number of my irked/jealous Cornellian buddies. But I think this article sums it up the best:</p>
<p>I’m currently a freshman at Cornell and I cannot imagine being anywhere else. The academics are fabulous, my classmates are intellectually stimulating and there is truly “so much diversity in one university”</p>
<p>What other similarly prestigious university houses such a diverse group of people? Incredible writers, amazing artists and musicians, science and math geniuses, fashion designers and the list goes on. The amazing diversity at Cornell, not only in superficial factors such as race, but also in academic pursuits and talents make this place a truly exciting place for me. </p>
<p>Cornell obviously has some flaws, but I honestly believe that I am receiving an excellent education with some great professors surrounded by incredibly talented - not just in SATs - student body. </p>
<p>It’s only been a semester plus a month into second semester, but I wouldn’t trade this place for anything else. As far as I am concerned Cornell is the best university in the world. </p>
<p>I would like to remind those who would like to detract Cornell University based on prestige etc. that college is more about fit than anything else, and many people like me have found their perfect fit at Cornell, prestige be damned.</p>
<p>There is much more to a generally great university than selectivity. There are so many variables that contribute to a university’s excellence. The Center for World-Class Universities at Shanghai Jiao Tong University currently ranks Cornell University at 12th in the world, while Penn trails at 15th. </p>
<p>USNWR pop-rankings are best held with a healthy skepticism. Every ranking methodology and focus can be evaluated for idiosyncratic strengths and flaws. Cornellian’s can take The Center for World-Class Universities rankings predominantly for its well rounded strengths.</p>
<p>i almost would love for the world to end in 2012 because I would just be graduating from school and that irony would be the best closer for my life story</p>
<p>Believe it or not, most employers look at the Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong University ranking, which is commonly recognized as the most objective ranking available (go and ask any well-known employers).</p>
<p>And by the way, the website you posted about “which Ivy League school is being looked down upon the most,” has nothing to do with any of these image threads whatsoever.</p>
<p>muerteapablo, I still cannot tell why Penn accepted you as a transfer. Penn is known to accept people who really really really really really love the school (its application is so narcissistic), but it is not known to accept people who love Penn but love to bash others.</p>
<p>The fact that Dartmouth ranks 80 slots behind Duke is reason enough to discount the entire list as a good ranking for student quality and employment, when the two are quite obviously peer schools. </p>
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<p>This is ABSOLUTELY incorrect. Employers hire people, not universities. Do you really think that Goldman Sachs would hire an undergrad from UC- San Diego over a Dartmouth grad with the same grades? Because UCSD is 13 and Dartmouth is 101 on this cockamamie list?</p>
<p>hahahaha, muerteapablo, no ones care. Why do you ■■■■■ the Cornell forum all day long? Really, we get it, you think Cornell is inferior to the rest of the Ivys. Okay, got it, now you can move on and find some friends. Really, its pathetic, no one understands what your point is.</p>