<p>if you're a urm who doesnt need financial aid, do you still have the minority edge?</p>

<p>im in that situation, but i guess that i shouldnt curse the minority im in, plenty of people dont have any edges, and make it in so lets just hope we're good enough to be like them.</p>

<p>No, you don't get that edge. URM applies to those OPPRESSED, meaning without great resources, poor modest means, bad school, etc. If you have the same resources as a stereotypical white suburbanite, you will be seen in the same light. Same thing with econ dis white applicants: they gain a slight "URM" status because they are a rare breed in the applicant pool.</p>

<p>so a unique ethnic background is only valuable if you cant afford an education?</p>

<p>by your logic runningcircles, they should be asking our parents combined income not our ethnic backgrounds...they only care about socioeconomic diversity?</p>

<p>They can get a good feel of your income bracket buy your parent's education level, their careers, and if you put on a fee waiver. Read "A is for Admission" sometime. Hernandez, a former officer at Dartmouth, explains this quite well. I'll give you a paraphrase of an black applicant being reviewed:</p>

<p>"Her scores are a bit on the low end, no?"</p>

<p>"Well, she comes from a single parent family, and lives in Brooklyn"</p>

<p>"Yeah, but she goes to a magnet school, her mom is a CPA... I don't see any real disadvantage here."</p>

<p>Now, she might get admitted depending on the number of black applicants that have been accepted. (This is at Dartmouth, BTW).</p>

<p>Economics triumphs over race, sorry to say. Disadvantage outweighs privilledge (unless you have banknotes pouring from your ears and can buy them a new building). They can sympathize if you did well with only a little given to you no matter what your race. Most of the applicants they get are from upper middle class people of all races and they look at the upper class as its own little race in a way. Econ dis, however, is a small minority in the pool.</p>

<p>BTW, please don't take that tone with me again. I was only telling the truth, not making it. You asked, I told what I knew, and that was that.</p>

<p>sorry mr. know all be all, but you really seem to be confusing two completely separate categories...colleges seek more than socioeconomic diversity within their institution...i fail to see why they ask you to check your ethnic background if they're only concerned about the resources you had...</p>

<p>there also seem to be a few self-contradictions in your logic</p>

<p>"Most of the applicants they get are from upper middle class people of all races and they look at the upper class as its own little race in a way."</p>

<p>if minorities are typically of poor backgrounds, how can this statement be true? i agree, the adcoms salivate over dirt poor kids with high scores, but cultural diversity is a completely different ball park...</p>

<p>the passage you showed me, btw, deals with handling sat scores relative to resources...again, i agree that the fewer the resources, the less important your sat scores are, but that passage refutes nothing of the position of a well off urm with high scores...the passage address nothing about being a minority!! just about being disadvantaged</p>

<p>bottom line, you can still be of means and have other trials and tribulations like racism and have experiences from a culturally different family to share with the campus...not to mention, every year, the colleges post the racial composition of their institutions, so they are no doubt interested in black and hispanic students, regardless of means</p>

<p>i would think someone from a black or hispanic background who can pay their way through college offers something else equally attractive: the highly desired urm to add to their student body as well as a student who wont be sucking up more of their endowment for others who may need it</p>

<p>i'll be back tomorrow to defend myself, must sleep for the last sat ii i need tomorrow</p>

<p>Don't waste your strength. I wasn't opinionating or arguing, just stating the psycology of how these adcoms think. When an adcom views a app of a minority with means, that "minority edge" is not as great as with a poorer minority. Done, over, terminado! It's not my fault they think like this, but it is the truth and you're just going to have to accept that. Yes, a ruling says you can admit someone on the basis of race and not just oppression. But, guess what? They don't care. They are a private institution with 22,000 apps to go through. It is possible to get in as a priviledged minority, but harder because they'd rather knock out two birds with one stone. How does stating this truth make me ignorant?</p>

<p>Now, leave me alone. I'm done talking to you, and I would appreciate that you stop asking me for help (or anyone) because obviously you can't take truth and you just have to argue it and insult me even though I have done no such thing to you.</p>

<p>you're not considering anything i have to say...if you did, you would know im not absconding my "fragile sensibilities" from "the truth"</p>

<p>btw, you didnt even understand what i had to say about the bakke supreme court case, but never mind, you're special ed...</p>

<p>also...quit saying "leave me alone", there's nothing forcing you to access this site or post, so my "harassment" is completely under your control...</p>

<p>Yes, I got your case. But, I didn't care. I'm not considering anything you have to say because I'm not arguing. This wasn't an opinion I formed on the subject, just pure fact on what the adcoms do and why AA was first formed (in the eyes of colleges). Give me one quote of my saying "I think..." or the likes.</p>

<p>that's the thing runningcircles, you think this is ab objective-based issue...if it were fact-based, i would have nothing to argue about, but since i see error in your understanding, i have room to correct it...so this is a very opinionated discussion</p>

<p>bump this ****...someone light this fire</p>