<p>Berkeley will be #1 public university, as always…the damn endowment factors prevents it from going any higher than 20-ish, always ****es me off. So it will stay put. I don’t see any major shifts in the list at the moment anywhere else either.</p>
<p>I think Berkeley and UCLA are overrated. Therefore in my book they rank BELOW places like Michigan and UVa and others. WAY BELOW.</p>
<p>Yeah, that’s just you.
And why exactly do you hate them so?</p>
<p>Although I do not share in IHC’s opinion (I personally believe that Cal is the best state university in the nation and that UCLA is one of the top 4 or 5 state universities in the nation), I think that the CA publics are headed for a major disaster. Given its rapidely growing population, Cal and UCLA are both growing in size. However, their endowments are tiny, and growing very slowly given their size. Even schools like Texas and Texas A&M have larger endowments than UCLA and Cal. Michigan’s endowment per student is twice larger than Cal’s and growing at a much faster rate. UVA’s edowment per student is slightly larger than Michigan’s and growing almost as far. </p>
<p>Endowment:
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor: $5 billion (growing at an average of 18% annually)
Texas A&M University-College Station: $4.3 billion (growing at an average of 12% annually)
University of Texas-Austin: $4.3 billion (growing at an average of 12% annually)
University of Virginia: $3.2 billion (growing at an average of 15% annually)
University of California-Berkeley: $2.3 billion (growing at an average of 8% annually)
University of Minnesota-Twin Cities: $2 billion (growing at an average of 12% annually)
Ohio State University-Columbus: $1.7 billion (growing at an average of 12% annually)
University of California-Los Angeles: $1.7 billion (growing at an average of 8% annually)
University of Washington: $1.7 billion (growing at an average of 13% annually)
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill: $1.5 billion (growing at an average of 14% annually)
University of Pittsburgh: $1.5 billion</p>
<p>ENDOWMENT PER STUDENT:
University of Virginia: $160,000
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor: $130,000
Texas A&M University-College Station: $100,000
University of Texas-Austin: $85,000
University of California-Berkeley: $70,000
College of William and Mary: $60,000
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill: $55,000
University of Pittsburgh: $50,000
University of California-Los Angeles: $45,000
University of Washington: $40,000</p>
<p>And like I said, the UCs’ endowment is growing more slowly than all of the state universities listed above. For now, the UCs are doing fine, but it is only a matter of time before they start feeling the pinch.</p>
<p>Whoo, UVA!! Hey, today, baby I got yo money!</p>
<p>Why is it that the other endowments are growing at such a faster pace?</p>
<p>And as to “Given its rapidely growing population,” do you think that the pace will stop soon (as in, the growth of the university’s size)?</p>
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<p>I told you why…they’re overrated. California itself is overrated. Beautiful weather, surfers, pretty beaches, blah blah blah. Especially on the east coast. LIES!!! The last time I saw sun was when I took off of JFK on my flight to SFO. Also the last time I saw a “pretty” beach was in Long Island. The last time I saw beautiful weather…um…was…um…never. Both NY and CA have crappy weather, especially in NorCal. NorCal’s cold all the time and in NY we see on average 6 feet of snow every time it snows.</p>
<p>What you talking about? You weren’t here today?</p>
<p>They are growing at a faster pace because those universities have taken steps to develop their investment portfolios. Michigan’s endowment is one of the best run in the country.</p>
<p>I am not sure whether the student populations at Cal and UCLA will grow much more, but the population of California isn’t showing any sign of slowing down.</p>
<p>DRab-I live in Monterey. The fog was so thick today I had to use the headlights to drive.</p>
<p>Indeed. Could you explain what is so better run in Mich’s endowment?</p>
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<p>Seems hellish.</p>
<p>:rolleyes:</p>
<p>But really, Monterey=/= the state of California.</p>
<p>DRab, it starts with the forming of an indepently run endowment fund with a very competent fund manager. Michigan is not unique. Harvard, Notre Dame, Stanford and Yale also have very effectively run funds at the moment. Is it any surprise that those 5 universities also happen to have the fastest growing endowments?</p>
<p>Does some political pressure or some other factor prevent UC from doing that?</p>
<p>It definitely requires a change in paradigm. Most universities are reluctant to reliqish control over their endowments and to compensate fund managers appropriately.</p>
<p>so…what do you propose will happen to the university in the long run assuming no one decides to fix the endowment issues</p>
<p>Worsening facilities, shrinking faculties, expanding student bodies, larger classes, fewer resources for students…in short, an increasingly unfriendly undergraduate atmosphere. The UCs will always have excellent research faculties and top graduate programs, but it could seriously decine in terms of undergraduate education.</p>
<p>Top 5
- Yale
Harvard - Princeton
- Penn
- MIT
Stanford</p>
<p>Is there any way to look at what the rankings were before 2006?</p>
<p>Yeah, there are rankings on a site thats been posted here with rankings since 1990</p>
<p>The top 10 in the last 10 years have been some combination of HYPSM at the top, with occasionally Penn or Duke mixed in along with Dartmouth Columbia and either JHU or NU…of course this is just for memory</p>