<p>Stopped looking after that…Northwestern b-ball still has never made the NCAA tournament; at least Cornell had a solid team as recently as last year. Northwestern football did have some solid years in the 90s though, but historically, they have been awful. Women’s lacrosse has always been top notch, but the students don’t attend that sport in large numbers to say the least. But being part of the Big Ten, sports in general are a lot more serious than the Ivy League and going to a football game is still a fun student tradition. Coming in 9th out of the top 25 isn’t too shabby.</p>
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<p>haha, that’s half the school year! I’m not saying he’s right or wrong, but saying you like it half the time isn’t a ringing endorsement from that particular person.</p>
<p>While I’m loath to feed the ■■■■■■, medconsult’s espousal of some misconceptions about Cornell simply shouldn’t stand without correction.</p>
<p>On Cornell’s suicides, from an article on InsideHigherEd:
In the six years between 2002 and the end of 2007 (and the beginning of the 2009 fall semester, for that matter), when The Wall Street Journal wrote about the university’s broad approach to address students’ mental health problems, there were five student suicides at Cornell, none of which were after 2005. In the six years before that, there were 11.</p>
<p>In 1994 from the New York Times:
“There is a myth surrounding the number of suicides here,” David I. Stewart, the director of community relations, said after Mr. Michitisch’s death two weeks ago. “There is not a larger-than-average number of suicides on the Cornell campus.”</p>
<p>The past academic year was certainly shocking and tragic, but to assert that Cornell is a “suicide school” because of one anomaly is simply bad use of stats. Cornell’s suicide rate is in line with the national average. In both of the articles I quote, Cornell administrators stress that the perception of Cornell as a “suicide school” is because students pick a particularly public way to end their lives. For the record, I live by Northwestern and believe that it is an excellent school which is finally getting the recognition it deserves.</p>
<p>I mean if you did that much digging around, you’d see that Northwestern has gone to two consecutive bowl games and broke records in both men’s/women’s basketball this past year. Sure, women’s lax fell short to 2nd place this year, but they have enough 5 championships. We don’t really suck at sports, we just have stiffer competition. Schools like Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, etc. etc. come to mind when you think of the big ten. We definitely don’t suck.</p>
<p>you’re talking 2002-2007. Are you going to talk about college rankings from that time period as well? I’m talking about last year when there were like 3 suicides in a month’s time.</p>
<p>I go to Emory, 20 makes sense. The last class had slightly lower stats. and the number of applications dropped. However, I think the actual quality of the school’s offerings has improved in terms of quality of life and academic opportunities. Unfortunately US news doesn’t really care about such things. We lost applications for 2014 also, so we’ll probably drop next year or remain the same, even though that class was slightly better than 2013 (and the incoming freshmen class is larger and has like 20% international students). I think US news is a nice measure, but we get shafted when it comes to recognition of the fact that we are trying to improve. But then again, apparently applicants don’t see it either. They probably associate us with certain stereotypes and write us off. Sucks being the newcomer to to national universities. Hard to get recognition without playing hardball like WashU lol. Oh well, who cares. I and my friends are satisfied even though we recognize that we, like every school (even those above us), can use improvement in many areas. By the way, where were we placed on the fake list, like 22-23?</p>
<p>well. for those of you who don’t know, LAC stands for liberal arts college. they’re are a few of them scattered around the states but they’re really tiny and don’t really do anything academically or intellectually meaningful. it’s okay, most people don’t know what they are.</p>
<p>The top 5 in this leak have been corroborated by a couple of other news outlets (probably from a US News press release that’s supposed to be embargoed–i.e., not reported–until midnight). No other media confirmation of the rest of the list, however.</p>
<p>After all, how well does this coincide with the “leaked” version?</p>
<p>“Georgia Tech was ranked 7 among public universities and tied with University of California at San Diego. Among national public and private universities it came in at No. 35, the same spot it held last year.”</p>
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<p>Perhaps, you should have asked him the color of the cover. </p>
<p>On the other hand, there is something perversely amusing to know that the good people who were quite satisfied with the 20-25 rankings might now sweat a few more hours. But only half as amusing that the leaked list can be “observed” on Harvard listserv. Sorry, Mister Mac! :)</p>
<p>The USNews clocks says 6 Hours and 15 Minutes. Tic Tac! Ah, the agony!</p>
<p>Yep, my thoughts as well. The ■■■■■ must have taken the top 5 list, put those at the top, and generated the rest of the list himself, making it look correct. Great idea if you want to deceive people, since most wouldn’t be smart enough to do that.</p>
<p>You’ll see that I pointed out that it was sad, tragic and a damn shame that these suicides happened, made worse by the fact that they all happened so close together, but Cornell’s suicide rate remains in line with the rate at other colleges across the country. Have you taken an intro stats course? If you had, you might see you’re using something that’s several standard deviations away from the mean to draw judgement on Cornell as a whole. Doesn’t that seem a bit disingenuous?</p>
<p>Also, if you’d read the quote, you’d see that no suicides occurred between 2005 and the beginning of the first semester of 2009. So let’s take a look at some more reasonable conclusions. We can talk 2002-2010, which brings the total number of suicides to 11 (5 between 2002 and 2005 and 6 in 2009-2010) and, assuming an entering class of 3,000, that all suicides are undergrads, and that there is no transfer into or out of Cornell (in reality the class will get bigger with transfers), we can comfortably find the rate to be 11/24000 over the past 8 years, or .04% of the undergraduate population. This is .04% too many, but, ultimately, the students at Cornell aren’t horribly depressed suicides waiting to happen.</p>
<p>No need to get defensive with me: I really quite like Northwestern. It’s just a bit close to home for my taste.</p>
<p>What doesn’t make sense then is why move Maryland, GWU up and knock out UT-Austin and UF out of the top 50. That’s not ordinary thinking. Especially since they’ve been in the top 50 for the past few years. There aren’t really dramatic falls or rises, except Wake, which we already knew was top 25</p>
<p>Its kinda interesting that people continually buy these rankings when there aren’t much change over the years. Schools don’t really change that much within a year, I don’t think o_o~~</p>