USC fraternity calls women "targets", not people

[manarius]

<p>A member of USC’s Kappa Sigma fraternity recently advised his fraternity brothers on how to be expert “cocksmen”. The leaked email describes women as “not people”, and even goes so far as to condone sexual assault. The national Kappa Sigma fraternity has condemned the email and is performing an investigation.</p>

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Note: I will refer to females as “targets”. They aren’t actual people like us men. Consequently, giving them a certain name or distinction is pointless.

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<p>The email can be read in full here: [USC</a> Kappa Sigma Fraternity Email](<a href=“Jezebel”>Jezebel)</p>

[52677747]

<p>lol what? He’s a ****ing ■■■■■■.</p>

<p>I read the letter. I’m falling out of my seat laughing right now.</p>

[MLDWoody]

<p>I hate to say it but that letter was pretty funny. Rude and sexist and racist and other things too. But also funny.</p>

[jshain]

<p>I think a thorough investigation will have to be conducted to see if it was in fact a Kappa Sigma fraternity member who wrote this or someone “posing” as someone from that fraternity. In some respects, I think positives can come out of these ugly situations. Fraternity members (an assumption on my part) can not do as they damn well please. There has to be some accountability. </p>

<p>Most of the fellow Greeks and the entire student body at USC are not laughing, nor do they share ANY of this writer’s viewpoints regarding women.</p>

[manarius]

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I hate to say it but that letter was pretty funny. Rude and sexist and racist and other things too. But also funny.

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<p>That is not a word I would use to describe it. Disgusting, immature, and pathetic all come to mind, though.</p>

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I think a thorough investigation will have to be conducted to see if it was in fact a Kappa Sigma fraternity member who wrote this or someone “posing” as someone from that fraternity. In some respects, I think positives can come out of these ugly situations. Fraternity members (an assumption on my part) can not do as they damn well please. There has to be some accountability. </p>

<p>Most of the fellow Greeks and the entire student body at USC are not laughing, nor do they share ANY of this writer’s viewpoints regarding women.

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<p>Indeed</p>

[MLDWoody]

<p>Look, I think Eric Cartman is funny too. That doesn’t mean I want to kill Jews, but the show is still funny.</p>

[manarius]

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Look, I think Eric Cartman is funny too. That doesn’t mean I want to kill Jews, but the show is still funny.

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<p>Oh, don’t get me wrong, I love sexist jokes and South Park as much as the next guy, but this crossed a line. Probably because he was being completely serious.</p>

[WarehouseAtHome]

<p>Well, for one we don’t know if it came from a “real” member/brother. Don’t get me wrong, there were some funny paragraphs in there but then it started to “cross the line”.</p>

[MLDWoody]

<p>Yeah, there was some not funny stuff. Like “there is a difference between noncensensual and rape.”</p>

<p>But there was also some funny stuff.</p>

[Mathemagician1]

<p>I laughed out loud</p>

[simpsonman]

<p>Well that’s just unfortunate</p>

<p>But maybe if girls didn’t go to these parties where they know there are d-bag bad boys like this who they are strangely attracted to and get drunk to make the excuse to screw, then this wouldn’t seem so accurate to me</p>

<p>Especially at a college like USC renowned for it’s hot slutty girls who are only there to party on daddy’s dollar.</p>

[johannes1430]

<p>That’s hilarious and sad at the same time… mostly absurdly hilarious though!</p>

[MLDWoody]

<p>University of $poiled Children</p>

[HisGraceFillsMe]

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But maybe if girls didn’t go to these parties where they know there are d-bag bad boys like this who they are strangely attracted to and get drunk to make the excuse to screw, then this wouldn’t seem so accurate to me.

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<p>…no. Just, no.</p>

<p>No woman, no matter what, EVER asks or deserves to be sexually assaulted. Nor is it ever acceptable, “accurate”, or justifiable.</p>

[WarehouseAtHome]

<p>I despise individuals who judge others poorly because of their financial situation. It doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor – no woman deserves the harsh treatment that email discussed.</p>

[MLDWoody]

<p>He’s just saying there’s D-bags at these parties. If you don’t want to be treated like a peice of meat by these D-bags, don’t go to those parties.</p>

[Yakyu_Spirits]

<p>1st amendment</p>

[neltharion]

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He’s just saying there’s D-bags at these parties. If you don’t want to be treated like a peice of meat by these D-bags, don’t go to those parties.

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<p>There are d-bags in the world. If you don’t want to be treated like a piece of meat by these d-bags, don’t leave the house.</p>

<p>By which I mean to say: This type of thinking is very characteristic of rape-culture. Instead of asking men to not rape, we instead tell women to not walk around at night. We tell them they shouldn’t show up to parties. We ask them not to dress a certain way. Don’t drink. Don’t wear makeup. In short, we blame the victim for her own assault instead of the rapists. That is wrong however you look at it. And in fact, if you’re skeptical and want a recent example of rape-culture at work, take a look at this wonderful article: <a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us/09assault.html?_r=3&scp=1&sq=assault%20texas&st=cse[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us/09assault.html?_r=3&scp=1&sq=assault%20texas&st=cse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Some choice bits:</p>

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“It’s just destroyed our community,” said Sheila Harrison, 48, a hospital worker who says she knows several of the defendants. “These boys have to live with this the rest of their lives.”

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Residents in the neighborhood where the abandoned trailer stands — known as the Quarters — said the victim had been visiting various friends there for months. They said she dressed older than her age, wearing makeup and fashions more appropriate to a woman in her 20s. She would hang out with teenage boys at a playground, some said.

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“Where was her mother? What was her mother thinking?” said Ms. Harrison, one of a handful of neighbors who would speak on the record. “How can you have an 11-year-old child missing down in the Quarters?”

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<p>In this article, what you see is blame being shifted from the boys (“Oh, they have to live with this the rest of their lives!” Uhhh. What about the girl who was raped?) to the girl herself (because, y’know, dressing up like a woman in her 20s and wearing makeup is just asking to be raped, and while we’re at it, does that mean it’s okay to rape women in their 20s?) and her mother. Not once in the article is sympathy expressed for the girl, only for the boys who raped her.</p>

<p>And while we’re at it, slut-shaming is never cool.</p>

[ThisCouldBeHeavn]

<p>The 1st amendment has nothing to do with this.</p>

[MLDWoody]

<p>Well, they can say whatever they want. Freedom of speech and such.</p>

<p>I’m not saying its the girls fault if she gets raped, that’s ridiculous. I’m saying if they don’t want to be treated like ****, maybe not going to this fraternities parties are a good idea.</p>

<p>I mean, if I don’t want to get robbed I am not gonna walk around East Cleveland at night alone.</p>