USYD vs UMich-Dearborn for Undergrad CS (International Student, Long-Term MBA Plans)

Hey everyone,

I’m an international student trying to decide between:

  • University of Sydney (USYD) – Bachelor of Advanced Computing + Bachelor of Science (5-year double degree)
  • University of Michigan–Dearborn – BS in Computer Science (4 years)

A few key points about my situation:

  • I plan to pursue an MBA in the US after undergrad (targeting top schools).
  • USYD costs ~46,000 AUD/year (5 years total), while UM-Dearborn is around ~$41,000 USD/year (4 years).
  • I know UMich–Dearborn isn’t the same as Ann Arbor in terms of ranking or rep.
  • I’m aware of the F-1/OPT/H-1B visa issues in the US, especially with the Trump administration.
  • I want to work in tech (AI/ML) for a few years before applying to MBA programs.

My main concerns:

  • Which path is better academically and professionally for long-term growth?
  • Is it smarter to stay away from the US for undergrad due to the political/visa risks, and just come later for MBA?
  • Will USYD hold up well on a US MBA application compared to a UMich regional campus?

Would love your thoughts — especially from anyone who has been through similar decisions or gone the international→US MBA route.

Thanks in advance :folded_hands:

We had lots of foreign kids in my mba. With a degree from an accredited school and work experience you’d be fine - dependent upon the laws at that time. I’m not sure anyone can predict the future related to immigration laws.

Harvard, as an example, reports 35% international today. Did some study in the U.S. perhaps. But not most. The law school mentions colleges kids attended - tons of intl colleges so I’d presume similar in business.

Best of luck.

So which uni would be better? UMich Dearborn isn’t a REALLY GOOD uni but again staying in the US i think should give me some advantage. but, i can do a transfer and i think i want to hold up for a year, see what policy changes happen for students
im confused
what dyou suggest

I can’t tell you which is better.

But being international today could have issues in the U.S. I’m not international so I don’t know.

I’d think today one has to at least acknowledge things can be different. I don’t know Australia’s policies or laws.

Good luck in your studies.

Ps u Mich Dearborn is a fine school.

FROM The Guardian

Students at the University of Florida have planned a campus protest in support of Felipe Zapata Velázquez, 27, a Colombian student deported by the Trump administrationfollowing his arrest for alleged traffic violations.

My vote would be U of Sydney. Well known, highly ranked internationally, and with a more welcoming climate for international students.

Graduate from there, get some work experience (US MBA programs like to see 5 years of work experience) and then apply to a program in the US. Things should be vastly different here in 8-9 years and you can reassess whether it makes sense to come to the US or not.

Congrats on a great acceptance!

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gotcha!
thankyou

I have no idea how they rank, but I think what you are going to hear from a lot of people is to not study in the US at this time. If you were my kid, I’d do everything I could to get you to reconsider studying in the US under this administration.

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I see no value in traveling to UM-Dearborn when you appear to have a nice option in Australia.

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You might also want to consider living in Dearborn (Detroit) for 4 years vs Sydney for 4 years. I know what most people would choose.

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I am inclined to agree with other answers.

On the one hand the University of Sydney is very good. It also has a strong international reputation. I live a very, very, very long way away from Sydney, but still have heard about it. The one or two times that I got to visit Sydney (the city, not the university) I liked it quite a bit.

There definitely are lots of international students enrolled in various graduate programs in the USA, including at highly ranked universities. Most will have a bachelor’s degree from a university outside the USA. I do not think that having a degree from a highly ranked university in Australia will be a problem at all in terms of getting accepted to a graduate program in the USA. Having some work experience is also valuable if applying for an MBA.

Staying in the USA after getting a degree here might however be a big issue, and might just not happen. This will depend upon multiple issues including national politics, and politics is tough to predict many years in advance.

Winters in Sydney will be mild, if they have winters. Winters in Michigan will be very cold. I think that I would prefer Sydney over Dearborn for multiple reasons.

I would expect students and professors at pretty much any university in the USA to be welcoming in the vast majority of cases. The immigration officers that you will meet in the airport might be a more mixed experience. If you do come to the US then in the current climate you might want to avoid having strong views on controversial political issues. You might even want to avoid any arrest for any reason, whether a traffic violation, jay walking, or getting drunk while underage.

If it were me in your situation, I am pretty sure that I would go to Sydney for my bachelor’s degree, work for a year or two or three, and then reassess what is going on in the USA at the time.

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i second this

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yeah. thankyou for the detailed response. i think ill do the same

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why though

Also consider that there is a chance - maybe a high likelihood - that you cannot work in the US directly after graduating your undergrad, and you will need to get your pre-MBA experience elsewhere. Is UM Dearborn or U Sydney going to look better on your resume when applying for jobs outside the US?

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i think i’ll have CS major (if that’s what you say for Bachelors of Advanced Computing) and i am highly into startups and initiatives, so if something works, i’d strongly likely to have one of my own in the tech industry. and i think, it’ll be easier in Australia + the tech sector is growing in australia. US feels too saturated

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Well, that’s something else you need to investigate then- if you want a visa to allow you to stay and build a start up (as opposed to a work visa where an employer will sponsor you)you often need to show capital for that. Not sure what the Australian rules are for that,

USydney is stronger academically, will offer better quality of life, doesn’t include any risk, and is cheaper (46,000 au dollars = ~29k, so even 5 years there would be less expensive than 4 years at Dearborn).

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Funding cuts, visa issues and the chaos around anything “education”.

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Another vote for Sydney. UMich-Dearborn is a solid school, but not a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. There are articles in the news every day now, here in the US, about international students getting their visas abruptly revoked for any reason or no reason. The risk-reward ratio you’re looking at for studying here does not add up when you have a cheaper and arguably more prestigious offer at an excellent Australian university. Easy decision IMHO.

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gotchaa! thankyou