UT Dallas vs CWRU vs URochester vs WPI vs RIT for Undergrad CS

CWRU and University of Rochester have higher US News ranking, are more well-known in the East Coast, not really known for their cs but the programs are solid.

WPI is near Boston, cs career fairs are huge, the curriculum is very project-based (which is good for cs).

RIT is a very big, recognizable brand for their cs. Probably a tier 2 school in terms of CS prestige.

UT Dallas has the lowest US News ranking, but arguably the strongest CS department among those schools (its cs ranking is pretty high in csrankings.org), on par with ASU, TAMU, UCD, Virginia Tech, BU, etc. I love how CS is the biggest major in the university and the whole university is known for their CS program.

Money would not be a problem since I got pretty huge financial aid and scholarships from all the aforementioned schools. I don’t really care about school spirit, athletics or stuffs like that.

Any suggestions are welcome!

Environment would be quite different at all of them.

Can you visit?

No, I can’t. I’m an International student.

bump.

Have you looked into travel time and cost for each campus? I would suspect there are more international flight options in Boston, Dallas, and Cleveland.

How about weather? Are you used to cold winters or would you be more comfortable in Dallas?

Check the college websites for online or video campus tours.

Look at the extracurricular activities. You will want to join a club or two to make friends even if you’re mostly there to study.

You to need to investigate the travel details. Are there any direct flights for you? How many changes? Is it a flight then a train or bus to get to where you need to be? The time and money do add up.

It seems UTD would save me a little more money than the others. It doesn’t really matter tho. But now I’m afraid I’d not be happy in UTD because the school has little to no social life, according to online reviews

Well, what do you do for fun?

WPI. Their project based curriculum is awesome. Excellent career center. Here is an older discussion comparing WPI to UMass Amherst, another excellent choice for CS. Especially check out IndianPwnerDude’s assessment:

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/844465-computer-science-at-wpi-vs-umass-amherst-p1.html

Worcester is a run down place though FYI.

Also, what schools are recognized in your home country or where you have work authorization?

@PurpleTitan gaming, hanging out with friends, going to gym. I don’t think my home country really cares about any of those schools if they’re not Harvard or Stanford

@gearmom WPI seems fine so far but how is it compared to other schools? Worcester is near Boston right?

Define “near” most people that live in Worcester rarely actually go into Boston. I lived near Worcester for over 10 years and rarely went to Boston for anything unless it was work related - traffic, parking it was just too expensive and time consuming. Also had friends that lived near WPI (a few blocks from campus) and they had issues with crime and people breaking into their apartment but I guess this could happen in any city.

Social life is what YOU make of it no matter where you go.

Right, so “nerdier” schools like UT-Dallas, WPI, RIT, and CWRU shouldn’t be a problem then (I’ve also seen both Rochester and CWRU described as “geeky” or “quirky”).

WPI does have that project thing going for it.

WPI and CWRU are close to some rough areas though CWRU is close to Cleveland’s cultural attractions as well. UT-Dallas may be in a boring suburban location but that also means it’s really safe. I don’t know enough about the locations of the two Rochester schools to comment. Can anyone?

One of mine strongly considered all the schools on your list, except UT-Dallas, and went to one of them.

CWRU is in a nice area of Cleveland, with lots of major cultural institutions in the immediate neighborhood, although there are some rougher areas nearby campus. There is a major research hospital immediately adjacent to campus. The school formed by the merger of Western Reserve College and the Case Institute of Technology, so the merged school is essentially two campuses divided by Euclid Avenue, which is a commercial street with lots of businesses geared toward the college community. It has been redeveloped a lot over the last decade. There are a fair number of geeky/techie students (I don’t mean that in a negative way), although not all of them. Greek life seems pretty balanced. It seems like a great place for STEM majors.

We love WPI. It is one of our favorite campuses and student bodies. We think the area right around campus was nice–a couple of parks and nice neighborhoods. Lots of Worcester is pretty rough, and, like all four of these schools is not a place it would advisable to walk around alone at night, though you’d probably be fine. They are rebuilding the downtown completely. We’ve been to the campus and city a lot, although not in the last year or so, so I don’t know how that is progressing. Worcester is an hour or so to downtown Boston on a commuter train. It’s a trip a student might make a couple of times a semester if inclined, though it’s not the kind of thing a student would probably do a lot, or just to go out on a Friday or Saturday night. WPI seems like a great place for a diligent, hard-working student who is self-motivated and is looking to get out in the workforce in an engineering-type job.

Rochester (UR) is more of a classic collegiate campus, on a small river in a quiet suburban area a few miles from downtown. I think of it as a NY version of Tufts or William and Mary. Academics seem outstanding. It is definitely more traditionally academic than the other three I’m describing.

RIT is a few miles farther out from UR. It has much more of modern campus setting, similar to schools–I’m thinking of George Mason and UMBC–that were established in the post-WWII era. Buildings are pretty much all brick and close together, sort of forming brick canyons, at least that’s my impression. They are pretty nice, it’s just not a classic college setting. UR is more what one thinks of as an American college setting; RIT has a more modern feel. I’m not sure which would appeal more to you. Students seem bright, hard-working, practical, and hands-on.

They are all damn cold.

I think of them all as good choices, and as schools, at least in the US, where students do well entering the workforce. Of course, from there, it’s up to them. Good luck!

Right, RIT and WPI would have more practical student bodies (some would deride them as trade schools, but that is snobbish). If you are thinking of PhD programs in the future, I would not choose their CS education. Rochester and CWRU do well in terms of the percentage of the student body they send to PhD programs. UT-Dallas should be able to prepare you well for PhD programs as well.

Rochester has their Take Five program (https://www.rochester.edu/college/CCAS/undergraduate/opportunities/takefive/) though you have to apply for that.

Are the various scholarships/fin aid for 4 years? Any for 5? Did you take A-Levels/IB or something like that? Some of these schools may be more or less generous in giving credit for those. That may allow you to graduate early or double major more easily or possibly get a Masters on the same merit scholarship.

In terms of friendship groups, all these schools would be STEM-heavy except for Rochester. WPI would be almost all STEM.

And so it seems that UT-Dallas, RIT, and Rochester are all in safe suburban locations while CWRU and WPI are close to rougher areas. CWRU is the only one in the middle of a major American city (you may know almost nothing about Cleveland being overseas, but you would experience the amenities of a major American city more at CWRU than you would at WPI with Boston being an hour away). You may be able to experience some of that at UT-Dallas as they have a shuttle service running between their main campus and medical campus near downtown Dallas (
http://www.utdallas.edu/services/transit/cruiser/).

All of these are bitterly cold in winter except for UT-Dallas, which may seem hot and humid in the summer unless you are from a tropical country, but you won’t be there during summer, most likely. If you are from a tropical country, winter at the four northern schools will be a shock.

WPI does seem to be most loved by their students, followed by Rochester.

While Rochester and CWRU do not have endowments close to the richest Ivies/equivalents, they will be richer than the other three.

Also take a good look at what requirements need to be met to keep your scholarship at each school. Can you say what they are?
You keep fin aid so long as you are in good standing.

So a lot of variables to consider.

Also, I mention PhD programs because if you’re thinking of working in the US, you probably need a grad degree to have a chance and even then, it may not be a good one. But the good news is that any decent American CS PhD program will be fully-funded.

Anyone can pay for a Masters as well (from different tiers of schools). A few Masters programs are funded.

@throwawaycc0207

Show yourself the WPI campus and surrounding neighborhood @http://maps.wpi.edu/map/?id=609. It is not a high crime area. The project based education is a big part of what WPI is about. If you are not familiar with the program, check it out at https://www.wpi.edu/project-based-learning/wpi-plan. Worcester is the second largest city in New England with over 184,000 people. The city has over 35,000 college students.

You might like to take a look at the listing of companies that hired CS graduates in 2016. The hiring companies include many world-wide corporations. Go to Career Development at https://www.wpi.edu/student-experience/career-development, page down to First-Destination Success, click on to 2016 POST-GRAD REPORT for a download of PDF. Go to the index on page 3, click on Computer Science and you will go to page 17 for a complete listing. If you are curious, you can repeat the process for other majors.

Good luck! Wish you could see the campus.

WPI class of 1967. Computers were like magic then! :bz

Some info that might be relevant re. University of Rochester. While the campus is leafy and green and nestled in a bend of the river, it is more urban than suburban, with all the good and not-so-good implied by that. While there are “sketchy” areas not too far from River Campus, the campus itself is safe and actually lovely. There is a major medical center right next to campus, which has been a good resource for research and clinical jobs for my daughter. Rochester has a flexble curriculum. Instead of “core courses.” students choose “clusters” of three courses that approach a single topic from different disciplines. And, international students make-up approximately one-fifth of student body. Most international students become integrated into general student population (D’s boyfriend is from the MIddle East, for example). I wouldn’t characterize Rochester as a party school or one where the social life revolves around athletics, but there’s plenty to do There’s football and basketball, but you won’t find the big crowds and excitement that most think of when they imagine college sports in America. I don’t know much about the CS program there, except that D did mention that two of her friends who are third-year CS majors already have job offers after they graduate.

@PurpleTitan yes I’ll 100% go to grad school

I’ve just received a full tuition scholarship from UTD (cost of attendance will be 10k per year), so it’s obviously the cheapest choice. As far as I know, UTD’s specifically known for its strong CS program

I’m also considering URochester and CWRU, but I’ll have to pay around 17-20k per year for those schools. They have much higher US News Ranking than UTD (top 30s), but I’m not sure if it matters or not