Given 2 applicants A and B both instate
A is highly ranked in top 1% in class with just one or none award related to cs and math
B is ranked top 10 percent in same class but won several national prestigious Olympiad level computing and mathematics awards. Has much better ECs and internships than A. Would UT Turing prefer person A because they have an excellent rank ?
Also how many students does UT Turing take from same school if they find them strong applicants ?
Applicant B may not even get into UT, if they are only 10%ā¦awards or not.
What are test scores for both?
A took say act with 35 or SAT with 1520 and B took SAT with 1560
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How can you say that with gaurentee as many this year non auto go UR austin CS and auto admits capped to LA.
So my question is very specific to Turing who value real credential than just a school rank
You cannot ensure that UT will admit person B. UT reduced their auto-admit to the top 6% only, past that its a free-for-all all. As is in all college admissions, the chances of someone getting in can be completely random, depending on the admissions officer. In addition, once someone is admitted to UT they must also be admitted to their major. To your point:
How can you say that with gaurentee as many this year non auto go UR austin CS and auto admits capped to LA.
Im unsure of where you got this data from, I donāt believe UT has released any data concerning the class of 2028 specifically regarding Major admissions and its correlation to autoadmit/non-auto admit. When looking at this, I would offer one thing: do not try and correlate someone being auto-admit or non-auto-admit to their acceptance into a major. Admission to a major is entirely separate from their admission into UT Austin. Only after admittance is the consideration for majors given.
If both were evaluated holistically, sans ranking influences, I would say person B would have a better shot at getting into an institution. However, considering how UT is, person A would have a clear advantage as they are automatically admitted into the institution.
Lets say, hypothetically, that person B is both admitted to the institution, and to their major within the CS department. Person A is also admitted to a CS major, and is being considered for Turing. At this point, Person Bās ECs & internships may push them further than Person A. Per the Turning website:
Weāre looking for highly motivated students with strong math and science backgrounds. A demonstrated interest in computer science through classes or personal projects is a plus, and evidence of leadership as exhibited by significant extracurricular involvement is also helpful.
And so, in my personal opinion, Person B would most likely be accepted to Turing over Person A - however this is purely dependent on the essays the applicants write and the competition of the applicant pool for a specific year, not if they are auto-admit or not. While Person A would initially have the advantage over being auto-admitted, if Person B makes it through that stage they would be a stronger applicant.
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I didnāt say with guarantee that B wonāt get in, but B wonāt be automatic (to UT Austin).
State law-Top 6% of Texas public school applicants are guaranteed admission (if they submit a compete application AND submit within the timeline)ā¦to the university,not to their intended major.
Top 10% is not guaranteed anything (at UT Austin).
UT Turing, Cockrell and McCombs are brutally tough to get into. Every year hundreds (possibly thousands) of valedictorian and salutatorians donāt get into these colleges, and also students with perfect test scoresā¦Turing isnāt guaranteed for anyone.
Test scores are great for both A & B! BUTā¦Turing isnāt a given for A, and UT admission still isnāt a given/guarantee for Bā¦much less Turing.
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auto admits capped to LA.
CAP (Coordinated Admission Program) students are offered a UT System school-like UTSA, UT Tyler, UT Arlington (and others); they are NOT offered admission to UT Austin.
Being offered Liberal Arts major at UT Austin is
NOT the same as being CAPād.
MANY auto admits at UT Austin are offered Liberal Arts or Education-take it or leave it, very difficult to get the highly sought after, 1st choice majors.
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Texas high school teacher here. As far as I know, in the past 6 years, top 1% from the two large public schools (graduate class 700 students) Iām familiar with all have been accepted to UT in their first choice major, many of which were CS. I know at least 7 boys (6 Asian 1 white) at top 2-3% who didnāt get in their first choice major, 5 of which were CS, but none held USACO medal.
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Thanks for your detailed explanation!
I thought the same too . Ut Turing does holistic approach in selection and they just donot get blinded by Texas school rank but gives more importance to someone with usaco platinum and USAMO with a decent gpa than someone who has jus achieved a top 10 rank in school but no awards like above. UT Turing AOs are aware of the rigour it takes to achieve these awards.
The problem will be, B may not get into UT, with a Ten% rankā¦ UT admission first, THEN major consideration.
B needs to have a strong, sure backup plan. UTD?
Few students from my own school and neighboring schools got into Turing they were all were Non auto admits 7/8/10 % ranked all of the top ranked kids with zero math and science national level awards in my local area got Rejected by Ut Cs and Turing.
Of late UT has realized these top ranked students use less rigor subjects to increase then gpa and rank. UT CS and Turing standards would go down if they keep admitting students based on rank when the best minds are actually working on achievements which require real problem solving skills and are top 100-200 in the country
This might be true at your school, but definitely isnāt true across the state.
Iām in greater Houston. My suburban district has 10 large 6A schools. At every school, the ONLY way to be ātop of your classā is to take the highest rigor- AP courses (and make near perfect grades). AP are worth 5 points, Dual Credit 4.5 points and academic 4 points. Many kids start Algebra in 6th or 7th grade, take WHAP in the summer prior to 9th grade, and take a full course load of PreAp and AP all 4 years. Itās all about rigor. Those that take straight academic and/or academic and DC most likely wonāt even be top half. Our district is extremely competitive, sending students to the Academies, Ivies, Rice, Stanford, Michigan, UT, A&M etc every year. And every school has 1 true Valedictorian, 1 true Salutatorian, and true Top Ten-their final gpaās are posted in the paper and shown at graduation. They worked their tails off for their final rank.
I do wish state of Texas made uniform rules for every school-DC/AP/academic/honors classes and grading scale should be weighted the sameā¦at EVERY school/district. It definitely isnāt fair for the students and districts that have āloop holesā and ways to pad gpa, get ahead.
Seems like one of the bigger issues is that rank gaming and cutthroat competition are incentivized in the Texas system, and students and parents āin the knowā can start rank gaming while the student is in middle school, depending on how the high school calculates GPA for class rank. There can also be āpoliticalā implications, such as schools disadvantaging students who transfer in from other schools by not counting other schoolsā honors etc. courses as such when recalculating GPA for class rank.
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There are definitely huge discrepancies! A neighboring district considers all graduates who have taken āhonorsā (not AP, just āaccelerated/honorsā) classes and make straight Aās Valedictorians; those who make one B in āhonorsā classes are declared Salutatorians. 2 of the schools easily have 20-35 āvaledictoriansā and āsalutatoriansā every year. Those named Valās & Salās become auto admit-for UT Austin and Texas A&M, the rest are āunrankedā.
Itās complete bs and shows how flawed the system is!
Another bordering district is on a 5.0 scale (most 4.0, even one district is on a 6.0 scale). And yet another district is currently in the news, because not all AP classes are offered at every school. Like you mentioned, students that have been able to take more APs are requesting inner district transfers for senior year, and are able to graduate in Top Ten, knocking out the students who didnāt have the same opportunities.
Itās a mess! Donāt get me started on the private schools! Iām so thankful my kids have since graduated!
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