UVM--not all it's cracked up to be

I’m writing as a parent of a current UVM student. My experience with UVM is that everyone talks with nice voices and is not actually helpful. Parents be forewarned: the housing situation is really awful. Transfer parents: Your child will have scant support for 1) housing for 2) community.

Once you’re enrolled, you’re on your own and there are very few resources.

It’s almost impossible to find an actual human being to answer questions at UVM. They purposefully make it that way by, for example, using a general number for returning phone calls that leads you back into their phone answering service (press 1 for this, press 2 for that) which leads to dead ends.

Call the Dean’s office and you get a recording telling you to call X number of a special person who will talk to “people experiencing an urgent issue” and in fact that number leads nowhere, just like everything else at UVM.

The Student Finance offices, impossible to get someone to answer a question. The entire point of their system, it seems, is to keep you actually not served unless you use their cryptic methodology like ■■■■■■ under a bridge speaking in code. They will answer an email but maybe that takes three days and you have something you need to accomplish within hours–becase UVM set the deadline. Don’t meet the deadline, and your child can’t access class materials.

Housing–don’t get me started. Once you’re out of the dorms, which is like end of sophomore year, you’re stuck in the horror story of housing that is Burlington. It’s as tight as the housing market of NYC. We literally looked from the lake to the border of New Hampshire for housing. The cost is huge per room. (Currently we are paying $1200 per month for a room in a shared apartment, shared with three other people)

So if your kid goes through from freshman year, they get wind of this issue and they can team up with friends and compete for an off campus student house. If they are coming in. late or as a transfer, NO HELP is available from the school itself.

If you call and call and call around and around you might happen upon someone who picks up the phone. They will give you soft mm-hmms of sympathy and then say, “Have you tried Facebook?” But literally there is no other help and no other housing available. They know this. They don’t really care at all.

UVM works with outside vendors for housing that are hard-nosed. The outside vendors won’t necessarily take your child even if they are students of UVM. There are several other requirements that the vendors want you to fulfill and if your child is say a transfer student and doesn’t have a precise class standing, then their computer will spit out your application and won’t even consider it. UVM administrators will not intervene and help

I have worked in higher ed my whole life. I have sent other children to college. Never have I seen such poor and frustrating services for students as at UVM. Again everyone that you finally reach through huge persistence will speak in hushed sweet tones while not actually helping.

But–they absolutely want your money. That UVM is very very good at.

We’ve been there three years now and it has not improved.

I do not recommend UVM for anyone at all. If you want skiing, fresh air, and a granola campus go to Colorado or U of Maine Orono.

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TBH, I’ve sent my kids to 5 public universities, this could describe most of them (and my daughter pays $1300 for her bedroom in a 4 bedroom apartment, in South Carolina! Housing only guaranteed freshman year, most sophomores have to live off campus).

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Near USC (California) that amount gets you a shared room in an apartment about a 20 minute walk from campus!

Someone who wants a single in a shared apartment near campus is looking at 1800 (very hard to find) and up!!

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My kid pays $1300 + utilities for a cockroach infested dump in Charleston.

That yours stayed in the dorm 2nd year is pretty cool.

I think it’s more like - hey parents, check out the four year housing situation (including surrounds) vs. saying this school is so different than others.

If one chooses to move off campus - that’s not the school’s responsibilty.

But it is fair to understand four year housing up front - and so I would warn parents on that end.

Do you have experience at U Maine or CU that you know they are any different?

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Not a current CU parent but have been looking at it as kid is interested, and it seems housing after freshman year is a crunch there too, and expensive. I think this is quite common among a number of campuses. D19’s college guaranteed housing for 4 years but I don’t see a lot that do that. The other issues, I can’t talk to.

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I have one at BU, she shares a 4 bedroom 1 bathroom in Allston, 30 minute walk, 20 minutes on the T, $1300+. It’s old.

Some colleges don’t have room after sophomore year — USC is one of them — so there isn’t an option to not move off campus. But that definitely wasn’t disclosed up front!

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Auburn University doesn’t guarantee anything FRESHMAN year.

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I agree that expensive off campus housing is an issue pretty much everywhere. My kid is in an old, noisy apartment in Westwood (UCLA’s neighborhood), sharing a bedroom in a 3 bedroom apartment with 5 other girls for $1100. Of course, UCLa guarantees housing for 4 years so that could have been an option for her, but she and her friends wanted more independence from RAs and such.)

Another thing I also see from my UCLA Parents FB group that a lot of OOS parents hold the university to a much higher standard of customer service than in-state parents (or, that should be expected from a large, public institution). I get it—forking over huge OOS fees is a lot, but sadly, it doesn’t equate to better support from the university. I think that’s a huge sticking point when deciding on an OOS public school. Go in knowing you are going to pay 3x in many cases, for what is still a huge, overburdened public institution.

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Point taken that housing is an issue at many schools but please move on. This post is about UVM specifically.

When you say disclosed, I’m sure if you look at their residence life website, etc. it is.

But yes, you might need to find it vs. it being advertised.

They’re trying to take your money, not push it away.

But for readers of this thread, I guess the point is - look beyond getting in, at what the overall four year experience may be.

Do the homework.

I find most kids (mine and everyone they know) have zero desire to stay on after first year. I don’t get it - but it’s how they think…

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A quick scan of a college’s Reddit page should give an idea of what the housing situation at least is like.

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I stayed on campus for the first 3 years back in the Dark Ages. Both of my sons moved off campus after freshman year. My younger son’s best friend is a junior at UVM and managed to find a big house that he shares with friends. I’ve never heard him say a bad thing about the school. I believe he had two siblings that attended UVM also.

My son is a senior and was very lucky with housing- same roommate all 4 years- dorm first 2 and then semi-off campus apartment last 2 (not uvm owned, but restricted to students). I do know people who had a bit more housing drama- class of 24 especially had a hard time since it was so large (first class after covid so not unique to UVM). But they all ended up fine in the end. Burlington has a pretty bad housing crunch, although the university is building more. I haven’t had any personal experience dealing with admin or housing (he has handled all that himself) but he has loved UVM!

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My DS is a 2024 UVM grad, and he had a vastly different experience than the negative on described by @Dustyfeathers. I feel it’s important to weigh in so that prospective student and parents get a well-rounded picture. My son graduated from hs in 2020, and started his college career at a different school. He transferred to UVM as a sophomore, and had a fabulous experience all around.

In terms of reaching out for help with challenges, from dealing with student accessibility services to getting support from his school’s dean’s office (CAS) in a difficult situation, he never experienced a lack of responsiveness. I am beyond grateful for the supports he received when he needed them.

Academically, he had some amazing professors, was able to be a TA and a research assistant, and had 2 excellent internships in his major, both of which were facilitated by the career services office.

In terms of finances, we had nothing but positive experiences with the financial aid office. I was never unable to get help from them, and neither was a family member with proxy access who helped with his tuition. When he was in danger of losing his aid after a difficult semester, they warmly and kindly helped facilitate the process (along with his advisor) that he needed to go through in order to turn the situation around.

He’s now happily employed in Burlington and in the process of applying for a loan forgiveness program available to students who remain living and working in Vermont post-graduation.

Housing is 100 percent their Achilles heel. The positive is not only the guarantee, but actually the requirement, that freshmen and sophomores live on-campus. The dorm he lived in was a typical college double room, nothing remarkable but nothing terrible either. He was very fortunate to get affiliate housing (off campus, students only) for his jr and sr years, but yes, it was expensive and I’m told it’s challenging to obtain. Burlington is expensive and I know that getting off campus housing is not a seamless process. That said, my ds22 experienced similar challenges at a different school.

All of that said, every school isn’t for every kid, and sometimes it’s not a match. I agree with the posters who have mentioned digging a little deeper via things like Reddit threads to weigh the pros and cons with your student before making a decision on any school.

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U Maine? No. Just no. UNH before both UVM and UMaine.

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