At present in most states, vaxxers and anti-vaxxers have their wants and desires. Your want of vaccines, apparently, trumps that minority’s right to live. Also, scientists have supported anti-vaxxers positions, so it’s not “anti-science paranoia” as you paint it.
Vaccinating puts others’ lives in danger. Not vaccinating puts others’ lives in danger. Like it or not, danger is present.
“Kids who have received immunizations pass on sicknesses too.”
Oh pulleeeeze! Give me a break!
They DONT pass on Rubella or chicken pox or measles or mumps IF they have been vaccinated against those devastating childhood diseases! And they DONT pass on MENINGITIS to other college students.
And as earlier stated, those who wish to keep their children un-inoculated should not expect a warm welcome for their kids at college campuses.
there are consequences for a decision to ignore generally accepted health standards in this country and in particular inoculation requirements at colleges here in the US.
Perhaps those who dont believe in inoculations would feel more at home in Afghanistan, where Drs are routinely killed by the Taliban when trying to vaccinate babies against polio…
unbelieveable…
Got some stats on the amount of danger in each case? Real science, please, not things like the Wakefield fraud.
Everyone here is on agreement on the latter, it seems.
Personal experience doesn’t count, so no. I don’t care to convert others. I’m not rabid. Excellent researches such as yourselves can absolutely find cases. It’s “the minority” for vaccines endangering others - well obviously - and those people matter too. You’re running over them, remember?
Some people like controlling what they can, immunizing their children. Some don’t. And duh, kids who are likely to pick up, say, meningitis during an outbreak shouldn’t be left at the campus. That doesn’t mean that those who don’t vaccinate are child-abusing fools.
Medical science isn’t perfect. It isn’t foolish to not completely buy into it, and not doing so absolutely does not deserve the derision displayed here.
So you have no evidence to support your opinion, then.
I only have a heart that can feel the pain of both sides. Families who I know were negatively impacted, one way or another. That isn’t statistics, and it isn’t evidence on the ever-knowing liberal internet forums. But they are human too.
Sorry for derailing your thread, OP
If 100 people are harmed by vaccinations, and millions of people are harmed by diseases which can be prevented by vaccination, then there is nothing big-hearted about opposing vaccinations.
And yes, statistics matter. When you pursue a course of action which causes harm to others – some on this very thread, go back and read them – you should have a solid reason for doing so, something beyond vague “feelings.”
Moral belief is a solid reason. It doesn’t sit well with you, but it is valid.
Some people on this thread have (with vague description, and I have read them) been apparently endangered by those who didn’t vaccinate. Some people IN MY LIFE have been endangered because they DID vaccinate. Both are probably not as statistically significant as folks who haven’t been adversely affected from either.
It should be up to each person if they vaccinate. That isn’t anti-vaccination or pro-vaccination, as you claim.
“It should be up to each person if they vaccinate.” If so, then that person should accept the consequences of the decision and not enroll in a college where he or she will be putting other students in danger.
This is just very naive. By the time you know of an outbreak, you will have been exposed and infected already. There would be no chance to escape, not with meningitis and measles.
There is no “apparently” in my case. My mother was pregnant before the rubella vaccine was widely available. I AM DEAF IN ONE EAR as a result of her exposure to that disease. I WAS BORN WITH A HEART DEFECT as a result. No “apparently”. Real thing, not vague. My two nieces were hospitalized for dehydration and the inability to ingest any food because their chicken pox were so severe-inside their throats. This was before the vaccine.
A “moral belief” against life-saving and quality-of-life giving medicine is NOT a valid reason to subject others to similar dangers. The only “belief” that should be valid is the belief in valid, proven, working science.
If it is truly up to each person if they want to vaccinate, it is also up to each society if they want to allow the public health risk of exposing themselves to such people. Should we then resort to quarantines?
Do you understand that you don’t live in a bubble, that your “moral belief” can actually kill people? Do you know that people like my SIL, who recently underwent chemo, depend on people like you to protect them when they can’t protect themselves?
Do you know the history of how smallpox was literally wiped off the face of the earth? I just thank God there was no anti-vax movement back then.
We don’t leave it up to each person to decide whether or not they can drink or drive. We don’t leave it up to each person whether or not they can fire blindly into the air. We don’t allow parents to leave their toddlers at home unattended.
Could and do people do these things? Absolutely. And when caught, they pay a price for putting the lives of innocent bystanders in danger.
There are literally thousands of things that we have collectively decided that one cannot do in this nation (and most of the rest of the global north) because it deprives others of the right to live. Vaccinations, IMO, should be no different.
“Kids who have received immunizations pass on sicknesses too. Many people have moral issues, not medical, with certain vaccines (MMR, for instance, sometimes uses parts of aborted fetuses - which may raise a moral issue with some Catholics…”
Please try to be accurate and not repeat some bunkum put forth by folks with an agenda. This right to life doctor explains it:
http://www.drwile.com/lnkpages/render.asp?vac_abortion
I had meningitis and had to learn to walk all over again. I had rubella during mid terms sophomore year in college. I had no idea and went to the infirmary and was quarantined. My mother had rheumatic fever as a child and was left with heart valve damage and thick eye glasses. My fathers baby brother died of diphtheria. My youngest son was adopted internationally at age 11 months. He was hospitalized with chicken pox when he was a few months old. He has already experienced shingles.
People who don’t vaccinate make me angry. I question any religion that allows them to opt out.
Before the chicken pox vaccine, H thought he might have been exposed since we thought our young daughters might have caught it. Thank goodness it was a false alarm because he works in a hospital and he wouldn’t have been allowed to go to work for 2 weeks! If you’ve been exposed, you carry the disease and can infect other people for those 2 weeks before the symptoms show up.
So there are quarantines, but for now, they only apply to health care workers. If vaccine compliance becomes worse, I’m sure we will see that expand.
My D had chickenpox in preschool and had a miserable case of shingles as a 13-year-old. I know many transplant patients and many many others who are immuno compromised and cannot get vaccines, including babies and medically frail. It is very scary to have to rely upon people getting vaccinated to protect the public when people are advocating strongly about “harm” from vaccines.
My father had polio when he was young and spent the rest of his life limping. The calf muscles were far less developed on his left leg, which was shorter than his right leg. His left ankle had been fused in an equinovarus (downward/inward) position for some reason, with the result that he had to have custom made boots. However, walking and standing were painful.
My brother and I were both born in the mid 1950s and we both caught measles, mumps, chicken pox and rubella.
You can bet I had my daughter vaccinated! I’m grateful that she has not had to contract any of the illnesses we did.
@Marian Flu vaccine is not much of an immunization. You have to repaet every year. Even then, it protects against only about 2/3 of the viruses. If all the vaccines are like that, pharmaceutical companies will make loads of money. Besides, I have never gotten a flu. Not even a common cold. When I begin to get a common cold, I’ll consider a flu vaccine. Hopefully, they will come up with better vaccine by then.
Probably when that happens and people get sick frequently, people will get vaccinated voluntarily. It will never become wide-spread. We are losing the perspectives here. If you don’t get vaccinated, in general it’s you who get sick first. When people get sick, they will get vaccinated.