4.4 cumm on a scale where A+ is 4.33 A is 4.0 A- is 3.67 and so on down the line with .5 boosts for honors, 1.0 boost for AP… In short, it means throughout the course of a year I average around a A- for grades like 91 or 92… and I took pretty rigorous course load, not Ivy worthy, but I took 6 APs junior year, and am taking more this year. In the past I took AP Chem, AP Calc AB, and I am in AP Physics, AP Calc BC, and I do really well in math.
ACT- 34 (both super and not superscored) (36-math, 36-reading)
APs (5 on Calc, 5 on Lit, 4 on Micro)
Subject Tests- 750 on Math2
I’m like a 7 in extra carrics (1-10)… I do a lot and I excel a lot as a musician but I tend to stay balanced
What is your uwGPA? Do you have any grade below A-? I guess you must have some Bs as A- is your average. Do recalculate your uwGPA or use UM’s way (no subgrades) and post back here.
Yes I have gotten B’s usually one a year and one B- once… But grades at my school are done a certain way pertaining to the GPAs to match…
If the uwGPA system u refer to means 90-100= 4.0, 80-89=3.0 etc. I would have a 3.87 over course of 3 years and a 4.0 senior year for the grade book that gets sent to colleges. All of my semester were 4.0s or 3.8s as I have only gotten 1 B for semester if I did have a B that semester. My Bs include 1 in history sophomore year, 1 B- in history Junior year first semester followed by an A+, and then a B+ in freshman science one semester, and a B+ english one semester junior year… I have only gotten about one a year… My schools weighted GPA on the school system mentioned earlier goes Freshman year about a 4.1, sophomore about a 4.3, and junior year about a 4.7. If I break it down over all semesters and calculate my schools cimm it came out to 4.4. But if the uwGPA system is A=4.0, B=3.0 then I would have about a 3.87. Does this help?
Yes. Mich uses the 90-100 = 4, 80-89= 3 method right now. So 3.87 is still around their average. And you have a good ACT. Just give them your best, and love, as they consider interest!
UMich would use your letter grades for recalculation if available. If your school only provide percentage grade and no letter grade conversion chart, then they will use their chart like you and HRSMom mentioned for recalculation.
Anyway, with one B a year, your UM recalculated uwGPA should be around the admission average for UMich overall but below the admission average for CoE (3.9). Your senior grade is not likely to show up before EA deadline but would be useful when you are deferred. So your stat is right around the admission average, perhaps slightly lower than average from OOS. You should definitely give it a try and your chance should be slightly higher than the admission rate. The OOS admission rate for UMich this year is around 20% or below while the CoE admission rate is always lower.
Note that when the mid 50 ACT for UMich overall was 29-33 and 30-33 in the last 2 years, the mid 50 ACT for CoE was 31-34. This year, the mid 50 ACT for UMich overall is 30-34. So I expect the mid 50 ACT for CoE would be higher than 31-34. Indeed, the admission median last year was 33 already. All mid 50s include in state and OOS students as there is no separated statistics available. The engineering admission data for this year would not be available for a few more months.
@billcsho … also to put the 3.87 in perspective. It’s not a 3.87 at a typical bad public school in a state where the public school system sucks. It’s a 3.87 at an extremely respected private predatory school in a state that Michigan takes tons of students from every year. It’s a school that the name alone gets people into the in-state schools even if its students are under qualified on paper. The classes in general are much harder than their equivalents to schools nearby. For example, AP Calculus at my school is significantly more rigorous than the calculus class at the school down the street. It’s a school where the honors level chemistry (year before AP chem is an option) covers significantly more information than the AP chem courses around in schools in the area. Point being is you could probably assume that this 3.87 when put into perspective of the school can be compared to a GPA of 3.9 or maybe even higher. However, I know admissions reps don’t just compare you to students in the district but obviously to the right and left of me at school. I am also one of very few people applying to U-M engineering, but one of tons who are applying to LSA. Does this change my odds? When U-M looks at the transcript, do they say (we’ll take 15 LSA and 5 engineering?) or what. There have been years recently where my school has admitted almost 20 students. The problem is they usually defer a lot of students from my school as they accept all of the overqualified students first, but they all end up going to Ivys and withdrawing their apps which is when Mich then reconsiders the deferred students. Also, if I compare my transcript to others in past years like last year and the year before for U-M engineering I am more qualified than them but I know that doesn’t mean much as it’s different every year. On my school’s scattergrams which shows where all of the schools students get in etc, for the U-M scattergram I am right around (little above) the area where the kids who applied to engineering got in. I could probably get into Vandy, but if I could get into U-M, I’d much prefer to just EA there and get in. What do you think after I have given you this new information above?
GPA has to be viewed in the context of your school profile, class rank, and course rigor anyway. If you think your school is very competitive and tough on grades, it should be reflected in the school profile report and it would help. Note that the CoE admission rate has dropped from >40% in 2012 and earlier to 29.8% in 2013 and 27.7% in 2014. The number of applicants doubled from 2010 to 2014. The admission stat for 2015 at CoE is not out yet. But for next year, the admission rate is expected to be approaching 20%. So don’t count on the previous data too much although it is a good reference. UMich defers a lot of EA applicants every year. This year, many students with high stat got deferred too. There is no such thing as overqualified for CoE at UMich as over 25% of students have ACT 34 or above.
@billcsho … The school does not rank and yes the colleges are aware of the rigor of the school in general. I didn’t quite mean overqualified. I meant overqualified in comparison to many of the students who are admitted. There are many students I know who are not considering Mich as a top choice or in their top 5 but are applying EA as a backup and some of these kids have all As, 35s and 36s, 800s on certain subject tests, and many many A+. In short, it makes it common for many people to be deferred as tons of kids from my school are qualified so they defer them because I’m guessing they’re waiting for all the really smart kids to just withdraw their app since they’re going to Ivys and other top schools. Idk I just hope I can get in. My credentials seem to be good enough, I am pretty involved extracarricularly, and I plan on writing a very very good supplement. Does it help that my brother goes to the school just curious?
Your perception on the admission process is wrong. They don’t wait for withdrawal for further admission. They will only find out after May 1. If there is space left, then they admit from the waitlist. Waitlist admission is rare, even for this year that they expected to use the waitlist more. They have already considered some top students not attending as they only expect a 40-45% yield rate. This year the yield rate jump a couple percent.