Should have said starting point. Feel better?
FWIW, Japanese law isn’t as I stated either. They have modified theirs a few times since. Point was we started from very different starting points.
Romani - Heller is the law and the current (modern) interpretation of the Second Amendment, regardless of whether one likes it or not. Anything that comes as a ban will not fly, like requirements to keep guns locked and disassembled. Closing loopholes and taxation are a good start. That gizmo that turns a semi into a fully automatic weapon? Should be banned. Even Cops should not have automatic weapons.
This is mostly the answer. For some people, target shooting at the range is a hobby, the way golf or bowling or archery might be a hobby for someone else. Some people do use an AR-15 for hunting, although it wouldn’t be common. Some people do view the AR-15 as a home defense weapon, https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/5/26/the-ar-for-home-defense-one-experts-opinion, although that’s probably not the primary reason most people buy one.
Go target shoot with something else then, something much less powerful. Consider it your patriotic duty to your country and its citizens.
“US law on guns: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
Fine. Let’s require EVERY gun owner to join a “regulated militia.” It says so in the Consititution, so let’s sign 'em up. Every single one of 'em.
There are already “truthers” about this shooting, the same as the Sandy Hook people, and I actually am connected to them on FB via a friend-of-a-friend. Makes me think weird stuff about that friend except I know he accepts any friend request he gets for business reasons. But wow. It’s pretty mind blowing.
The 4th floor seems to be the big item at the moment.
“And the US Supreme Court has held that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.”
And the US Supreme Court held that Dred Scott could not sue for his freedom because no African American could claim citizenship in the United States. The Supreme Court has been wrong before. And they were this time.
Holding in Heller is contrary to this.
“As a whole we accept the carnage and it is as much a part of the American Way as the guns themselves.”
Nope. Only the gun nuts and those beholden to the NRA accept the carnage. It’s simply collateral damage to them. Most everyone else wants more and stricter regulations.
Even 75% of NRA members want universal background checks. Why is no one in Congress listening?
@greenwitch that’s what I don’t understand. A majority of Americans want universal background check. I wish congress would tell the NRA to go to l$&& and pass some legislation.
Seems to me there is plenty of room to legislate around the Heller decision. In fact they address many of the issues we raised in this thread. In the Heller decision the court discusses their 1939 Miller decision:
It’s extremely ironic, you’re bringing up Dred Scott. In Dred Scott, the Court was worried that if African Americans were citizens, then they would be able “to keep and carry arms wherever they went”.
This is just heartbreaking. And echoes what I remember hearing from hospital staff after the Orlando massacre.
Scream and yell and beat your head on the wall. It falls on deaf ears. The carnage will continue apace.
The only meaningful “more and stricter regulations” that would make any sort of difference would be something along the Australian model. Making near 500 million firearms illegal except for those that jump through bureaucratic hoops would be interesting - satisfying to some and irrelevant to most every one of those that misuse them.
Didn’t see the point of reading the previous 18 pages - took months for the call the Pulse shooter made to the authorities, while he was busy, to finally be released.
Of course it won’t stop, but not because most of us accept the carnage as the price one pays for “freedom.” The blood is 100% on the hands of the gun nuts, those beholden to the NRA and those that support them.
We can agree that it won’t stop, and… that those who claim to feel the most while doing so, are the most noble amongst those that are agreeing.
If you don’t accept the carnage, what are you doing to oppose it? Besides denouncing it on the internet?
@Sue22 , excellent list in post #216.
I would add a strict ban on high capacity clips and /or magazines. No more than 5 rounds.
No guns that can fire more than 1 round per trigger pull.
No licenses issued to persons who have been hospitalized for mental illness or convicted of a violent crime, including (especially) domestic assault.
And there should be more.