Visa question re: France and rest of EU

We are having some serious timing issues for my son in obtaining a long stay visa for France. He is enrolled in a summer French program and a fall French program. Given the timing of the two programs, he intended on staying in Europe until the end of his fall program which would require a visa as the duration of the program is more than 90 days. The consulate just cancelled his visa appointment in May because of a bureaucratic issue and the likelihood of him obtaining another one in time to get a visa before he leaves for the summer program is pretty slim.

If he leaves France after the summer program and also leaves France during the fall program for a week so that he will never be in France for more than 90 days, would he technically have to get a visa?

My mother is English and we have a ton of family in England so he wouldn’t have to worry about finding a place to stay. England is not part of the Schengen visa alliance.

As long as he’s not in the Schengen area for more than 90 days total out of every 180 days he’s OK. In other words, the time in the UK is not counted as part of his 90 days (he needs to make sure his passport gets stamped in and out of Schengen in case he needs to prove it), but time there won’t reset the 90 day clock.

Thanks. I guess that solution isn’t going to work. Unfortunately, I think that he is going to have to fly back and get his visa between the two programs! :frowning: I don’t see any other way to do this.

Is an appointment at another consulate a possibility?

@alwaysamom. No. Right now he is on the East Cost and the first available appointment at the consulate in NYC is the last week of June. His appointment was actually at the end of May on the West Coast as he will be home (Colorado) the last week of May. He has to go to his home consulate based on the state in which he resides. This is truly a bureaucratic nightmare! Once he has his confirmation from Campus France, he and I will diligently check the consulate for a cancellation. However, I am not going to count on that. The best laid plans…

OTOH, he gets the privilege of being able to study in France! :). Gotta look for that silver lining.

My daughter had a similar problem that was her own fault…she needed a visa for her semester in Italy but by the time she went to schedule an appointment, there were no more appointments available. She sent pleading desperate emails to two consulates, the one in our home city and the one that covered her college. The consulate that covered her college replied that she could come in on a certain date and they would try to fit her in. It all worked out on that day and she was able to go to Italy.

OMG!! This question revives a nightmare situation we endured a couple of years ago.

S received a somewhat last minute fellowship offer to study in France for the next academic year shortly before he graduated from college. At the same time, he was offered a summer job in France helping to lead a language immersion tour. There was a huge rush to get everything done, and he left for the year 10 days after getting home. He had studied in France for a term earlier on, and didn’t need any kind of special visa, and apparently no one at the college mentioned the need for a long stay visa to him. So off he went. He worked in France for a while, then traveled to visit relatives in England and Ireland. When he re entered France, no problem, but when he showed up at the university in Lyons, they informed him that he needed a Long Stay Student Visa in order to stay in the country past 90 days and in order to get the Work Visa required for them to place him in the English teaching assistant job that was supposed to support him (tuition and room was covered, but nothing else). His Dartmouth professors had just told him he would get the work visa in France. Oy!

The bureaucracy was incredible. We tried appealing to the US Embassy for assistance: no dice. We contacted our Senator’s office and they tried: no dice. We contacted Dartmouth and they tried: no dice. We had to fly him back to apply for a visa in Boston, the nearest consulate, period. We had to go through Campus France, the whole deal. (The upside was that because of the time of year it was much faster than they indicated. That will not be the case for your S, most likely. :frowning: )

As you know if you have contacted a consulate, they insist that you go through their website and will not talk to you. I made an appointment for him at 10AM on a Monday in October, the earliest safe appointment for the period he would be home, which was scheduled to coincide with a school vacation there so that he would miss the fewest number of classes. You’ll never guess what happened next…

S had to take the Amtrak train to Boston that morning to be absolutely certain of arriving in time for his appointment. He had to leave the house at 4AM. On Sunday, it became clear that something else was going to be arriving in Boston that morning: Hurricane Sandy. Everything in Boston was closing in anticipation. Would the consulate close? Would they deign to give him another appointment? He had a plane ticket just over two weeks out, the amount of time they said it would take to get the visa. He had an appointment to take the GRE the next day in Lyons, the only day he could take it there. The consulate said nothing on their website. Finally, in desperation, I called their emergency contact number. A very irritated diplomat informed me that OF COURSE they would be open on Monday morning.

H took S to the train at 4AM. Unfortunately, I slept through it, so he left without a cell phone (I intended to give him mine, since his could only be used in France.) or a raincoat (I intended to have him take my father’s Burberry, which both of us can wear), and with only $25 in his pocket (I had $100 I was planning to give him, just in case). I don’t know what H was thinking. Anyway, he arrived in time for his appointment, and they shut the consulate as soon as he was done. (I guess all of the other people with appointments were stone out of luck, even if they traveled for hours to get there.) He immediately headed for South Station, where he got on the last Amtrak train heading north out of Boston…

Which stopped about 45 minutes north of the city. Wires blown down onto the track in NH. Amtrak trying to hire buses to take passengers north…Governor closes the Maine Turnpike…after 4 hours on the train, they back up all the way to North Station and disgorge the passengers. Meanwhile, all public transportation in Boston has been shut down. S is now stranded with about $10 in his pocket, no phone, and no credit or debit cards that will work in this country. He calls from pay phone. We discover that one can no longer call a pay phone in North Station back, probably for security reasons. I have a good friend who S knows who lives in Somerville. I contact her, he calls back and I give him her home #, he calls her. At this point he is running out of money. He hails cab–hallelujah!–and heads to her house. Cab driver gets lost and racks up $50 fare. She pays it. He is soaked to the skin, wearing nice tweed jacket, pants, silk tie, etc that they require for consulate appt. An umbrella isn’t much use in a hurricane.

To be continued…

Wow! I’d contact your Kiddo’s U to see if they can be of ANY help, OP. @Consolation, what an amazing adventure! Thank goodness for your friend!

Time passes. No word from consulate on his visa. Try to contact them: no dice. Day of scheduled departure arrives. H persuades S that they should drive to Boston, arrive unannounced at the Consulate, and plead for visa. They do so. Diplomats are huffy and irritated, cannot believe the gall of these people. Finally, they magically appear with visa. H and S race to Logan Airport, only to arrive after flight has boarded. Won’t wait for S. S is able to schedule a flight for the next day. They drive back to Maine. Next day, drive back to Boston again and S departs. Arrives safely in Lyons, but has missed his appointment to take the GRE. Has to travel to Paris–expensive–via train to take it at testing center there, stays overnight in hostel with triple bunks and fellow below him noisily eats and drinks almost all night, while fellow above him turns over frequently, causing the entire structure to sway alarmingly. Having almost no sleep, still gets excellent scores. (He’s a chip of the old block when it comes to standardized tests. :slight_smile: )

Eventually attends Columbia J School, which doesn’t require them anyway.

All I can say is that I hope things go more smoothly for you!

have you checked DC?

It looks like there are plenty of available times…

yea, if you are in NYC you would need to ride the train, etc… but it is probably better than flying home in the middle (which still probably doesn’t resolve the 90 in 180 problem)

it might not be your “home” consulate but I would see if it will let you get an appointment.

They are adamant that you must use your home consulate.

Wow Consolation! That is quite the story/nightmare.

@soccerguy315, I wish my son could go to a different consulate. He told me that when he filled out the Campus France application, he had to pick a consulate and he picked LA as they had an open appointment and that is our home consulate. I am not even sure that he could go to the consulate in NYC if something opened up between now and when he leaves Connecticut at the end of May. Unfortunately, I think that my son is going to be in the same position as your Consolation’s son was several years ago. I am not holding out hope that he will get his visa in time for his summer program. As you said. Oy!!! My son will be back at the end of July so he will have a full month before he leaves for his fall program. Hopefully, that is enough time to get his visa for the fall program.

My niece was recently in the position of having worked in France for a year on a work visa that was obtained by her employer. She wished to return for another year as a graduate student. She had a very difficult time getting an appointment at her home consulate, Chicago, over the summer, and eventually returned to France without the Long Stay Student Visa. Luckily, it turned out that she could go from a work visa to the long stay visa while actually in France. Columbia, whose graduate program she is attending, worked it out.

My S’s problem, and your S’s also, would be that they entered the country on a regular tourist visa in the first place.

If your S does have to come back, my advice is to try to make the appointment for as early in the month at home as you can, building in a certain cushion for delayed or cancelled flights. They do not seem to have heard of the concept of customer service. :slight_smile: