But there is no more tenure, as I understand it.
Oh it looks like they now modified it, but it’s still gonna irritate faculty. Florida university system approves new tenure policy, spurning faculty critics | Higher Ed Dive
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You might think Republican political leaders in the South are trying to remake higher education in their states. And they certainly are. But in so doing, they’re consciously attempting to destroy what presently exists. Either they’ll refashion colleges and universities in their own image or render them inoperable in the attempt. Both outcomes are fine by them.
This past week, we received some evidence that this cynical strategy may be working. Scholars in the South are extremely dissatisfied with their institutions, according to a recent survey by the American Association of University Professors. Nearly half of the professors polled are, or will be, interviewing elsewhere in hopes of finding new employment.
I was interested in this article. In the fall, there were several quite negative articles. This one was surprisingly positive to me. I’ll be curious to see how the tenure review policies take shape, and what changes there are to the core curriculum. It wd be good, I think, if there were fewer core/gen Ed requirements—my kid had a bunch of AP credits but I can’t imagine having to deal with all of those requirements w/o AP credit…it sounds like Sasse is thinking a more limited set of distributional requirements, which I think cd be good.
I think much of what the Florida legislature is doing wrt Florida universities is a mix of bad policy and unconstitutional; we’ll see how it plays out. But much of what Sasse seems to be focused on at UF seems like it cd be good.
I understand you don’t like Sasse
However, the opinion piece you shared and the studies it quotes that you have highlighted in your post are about faculty wanting to leave Texas
The article doesn’t state any policies that Sasse has instituted on his own that they are opposed to.
Actually the opposite that he is a ghost on campus
Which the student run newspaper talks about how he has been working hard behind the scenes listening and learning about UF. Also, they were not onboard with Sasse at the beginning.
Further in the article you shared MSNBC Blame Sasse for Destroying New College a college in Sarasota not affiliated with UF and preventing Proffessors from being expert witnesses in 2021 when he became UF President in 2023
and the full on assault on tenure is 2 articles one from 2011 and another about Texas again
Reading about Sasse in The New York Times we encounter a slate of once-unthinkable worst practices. These include anointing Sasse to the presidency in near secrecy and outfitting him with a pricey consulting firm to assist with “strategic management,” and blatantly trying to prevent professors from exercising their academic freedom, not to mention engaging in a hostile, state-run ideological takeover of an entire public college. Naturally, Florida (as with many other red states) is engaged in a full-on assault on the institution of tenure.
The school did reverse its position on allowing the professors to testify
But will they find that new employment?
Will try to keep this thread from going political, but it was those in power who picked Sasse and who ruined New College. I don’t plan to cherry pick from those articles. I will take the word of several friends who are tenured faculty at UF.
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I find what happened at New College awful. I have many close friends who went there and I have such respect for what that university was. I just hold out hope that it can find a way back when the current political moment passes.
I think the situation and leadership at UF is very different, however. I don’t agree with Sasse’s politics. I’m trying to be open-minded about him as a university leader and see things that make me optimistic.
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Too late.
Sad.
Im so fed up with the anti Florida bias
UF is hiring
For comparison UCLA current Academic openings
Funny how that’s not SAD
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And I am fed up too. For different reasons. I went there. Would not go now. Friends who are faculty there and former Dept chairs are very unhappy.
From that article posted above:
“The University of Florida in United States invites application for vacant (400) Postdoc and Academic Positions”
It’s not “bashing”. I said it’s sad, because it is!
California U’s have had grad students go on strike for better pay.
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Type in any city. Cost of living between CA and FL.
Not disagreeing that the grad students could use a better pay in CA. The large number of openings in Fl is not about the cost of living.
For comparison, here is Cal’s postdoctoral and faculty openings:
“ University of California in United States invites application for vacant (155) Postdoctoral and Academic Positions”
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UF has so many applicants who want to attend that parents are writing to the governor because they are upset their kids weren’t accepted. IMO, UF is more popular than ever, at least with the kids (and the parents for the price). If professors don’t want to be there, they should leave (if they have a better option).
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Many are leaving. It’s unlikely many applicants are aware of the faculty discontent.
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I doubt many applicants are aware of the politics at many schools and just want to go to U Mich, or Texas or Florida because of the cost, or the football, or because that’s where their friends are going. If parents wanted to avoid UF or FSU because they know more than their kids, there are ways to do it. Just say no.
I don’t see UF being listed on the ‘colleges that are closing’ thread, or even falling out of the top 10 of public schools. Plenty of people like UF while others want nothing to do with it (or anywhere in Florida). I think those who are unhappy with the politics should go elsewhere.
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Agreed. Politics played no roll in my decision and i’m sure that is the case for the vast majority of people. I think most people understand that no matter the politics of the state, UF will still offer an amazing, well-respected education.
We know families, especially with daughters, who are making measured choices about colleges. I pay closer attention to UF as I have friends I went to grad school with there and are/ were on faculty there.
Perhaps potential parents/students should be aware of some political issues on campuses. It might not matter to most, but to some… it might, and especially if faculty are unhappy and if many are leaving. That could affect the students’ education.
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Well that’s ok then
But sad when UF has a similar amount of openings
What about Penn State is that sad or do you have an excuse for them like UCLA
https://psu.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/PSU_Academic?locations=cbe735ea2e6d018bc3b657b2c5014812&timeType=b9c7a8628206010c6cedcb3aa4474a00&jobFamilyGroup=57340197317201486cf7061b124ba906