W&L vs UF for pre-med

<p>Hi, so I'm stuck between choosing Washington and lee and UF for undergrad. W&L scholarship covers 75% of my tuition and I have to pay for the rest, and I'm not too sure if W&L will accept all of my AP/IB. For UF, I have bright futures which also covers about 75%, but also pretty much accepts all my IB and AP credits. I want to major in pre-med, I know that UF has acclerated pre-med program but it's also super super competitive. The interviewer from washington and lee told me that they have 87% acceptance into med school. UF doesn't have any data on med school acceptance. which one would get me into med school easier?</p>

<p>Washington and lee!</p>

<p>Med school is VERY GPA/MCAT driven. I would go to whichever of them you feel might give you the opprotunity for the better GPA. I do know that at W&L it will take you a lot of work to get a med school level GPA. They weed out most of the pre-med kids freshman and and sophomore years, so the 87% acceptance rate is only because the very best students survive the pre-med program.</p>

<p>thanks, i also got into uf honors if that matters
what do you guys think of the student to teacher ratio? UF 20:1. W&L 10:1.
would that help me in getting better GPA?</p>

<p>To put it succinctly, is W&L is very tough in the science area. The UF Honors Program would be a + and would give you better faculty access. W&L student faculty ratio is nice but they are not buddies becuase they know that part of their job is to weed out kids so they can find better academic fits. The strong survive. Won't go wrong at either depending on what you are trying to do.</p>

<p>Another perspective here, with all due respect to Puzzle78. Hard to say that there is any campus where students have "better faculty access" than W&L, regardless of department. (This is not to say anything about UF on that point -- I don't have any experience there.) Remember that W&L profs are working exclusively with undergrads, and W&L is well-known for very strong student-prof relationships. So again, hard to say that "they are not buddies." In our experience, that is not true, again pretty much regardless of department. </p>

<p>In the end, I strongly encourage you to pick the school where you would prefer to be EVEN IF you don't pursue pre-med. Many students go with that intention but find something more intriguing along the way, something they could not have anticipated in high school. So where do you want to be if you ARE in pre-med program, and where do you want to be if you ARE NOT? If you're lucky, the answer will be the same :)</p>

<p>Washington and Lee is the reason my son is in medical school today. The same GPA from a state school would not have gotten him in. All of his pre med friends also are in med school today. He was a biology major.</p>

<p>Phrunk, also noted the same track record among my son's friends. </p>

<p>FWIW, OP, my son is one of those who found something more intriguing to him and changed career/major plans from pre-med. A Johnson Scholar, he graduated with a strong GPA (though not top 10%), but far more importantly with invaluable faculty mentoring inside and outside the classroom, job offers (during toughest employment market in recent history) from both employers he targeted (who at the time were reigning #1s in his field), and, best of all, knowledge and skills that have helped him excel in the workplace, which in turn will likely generate top tier grad school options in his field.</p>

<p>I want to do a pre-med track ( Chemistry or Biology ) and I am torn between W&L (Full Ride) and Notre Dame (90% ride).
What various medical school's did your son and his friends get into?</p>

<p>If I do bomb out of the science courses, what would my best options be at W&L. For instance Notre Dame has the Mendoza school of Business. What is W&L really known for besides the partying ... <a href="http://www.*****.com/washington_and_lee_university/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.*****.com/washington_and_lee_university/&lt;/a> (top 10).</p>

<p>Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed my overnight visit to W&L and really liked the people I met, I am just trying to make the right decision!</p>

<p>WBAO --</p>

<p>I know a LOT of people who opted out of pre-med after their intro Chemistry class. :)</p>

<p>Probably what W&L is best known for is PoliSci, and/or the Williams School of Commerce (affectionately known as the C-School). But since you don't have to apply to a "school" or declare a major until the end of sophomore year, if you decide pre-med isn't for you, you can take/do/be almost anything. Lots of grads go into I-banking, politics, law school, grad school. W&L is more than partying, you'll have to work hard in any major.</p>

<p>Both Notre Dame and W&L are great schools, but you might want to be a little less condescending about W&L.</p>

<p>Beauty --
Thanks for the info, I will take a look at C-School. On a side not I am not sure what I said that would make you say "you might want to be a little less condescending about W&L."</p>

<p>Did I not say I was "torn" as well as "Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed my overnight visit to W&L and really liked the people I met"</p>

<p>I just thought it was interesting that W&L was ranked in the top 10 on a certain website that cc removes (Here it is spelled backwards - oginu ) for partying, and I had heard that W&L had themselves removed from Princeton Review for reasons such as that, being known for a great greek party life.</p>

<p>I know that W&L has great academics and an excellent student-faculty ratio and that the campus is beautiful. I just wanted to know what it is known for from a degree perspective.</p>

<p>Owl-
Uh, how about this:
W&L is the only top 25 liberal arts college with an accredited business school
You're right, we party. We also are one of the best liberal arts colleges in the country, so we party AND we're smart. Not a negative in my book.
W&L has dedicated professors that care about their students and teaching, not just churning out research. Small size= you can do research as a freshman and you aren't overtaken by some TA or grad student. And if you're not pre-med, your profs have connections and can make some phone calls to get you those internships and job offers.
Isn't Notre Dame the school where that kid died because he was forced to go on some high ledge in a storm to film a sports practice? Sounds like they really care about their students there...
We have one of the best alumni networks I've ever heard of.
beautyistruth is right, you're being pretty condescending for no apparent reason.</p>

<p>hey guys, i realized my fiancial aid says its pending, what do I have to do now? I have sent 2010 tax return and w-2 forms along with 2009 tax returns in feburary, do I have to send it again? Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?</p>

<p>You should have received a checklist of what copies of taxes, etc you have to send. If unsure, call financial office, they are very helpful.</p>

<p>Q - My D is chosing between W&L and other similar schools for pre-med. Some schools are very up front about the med schools to which their grads were admitted. When my wife called and asked, the only response she got was that many grads elect to return to their states to attend med school, making it appear that they were going to their local state med school, rather than one of the private med schools. Any information anyone has on this would be appreciated.</p>

<p>Of the grads I know who were pre-med -- several waited a year or two, are now applying/attending. One decided to pharmacy school in SC. One is at Penn. Several are in Florida. One at UVA. None I know of went back to their local state school. This is anecdotal evidence, and a few years old. I know W&L has very good acceptance rates for those who graduate in the pre-med program (most as Bio or Bio-Chem majors, I think). I also know several students who started as pre-med and ended up in the Religion, English, and History departments :)</p>

<p>We have a pre-med child there. When we asked the question about where students end up at med school the advisor said almost all go back to their state med schools. Many get in top tier private universities, but when the finances are factored in State U is just fine. Private med school costs in excess of $80,000 a year now. After having just spent $200,000 at W&L, the pricing of a state school is just fine. In addition, what matters most in med school and beyond is where you do your residency. I would also add that many private universities are research centered. With the liberal arts experince at W&L, a more "involved" (i.e. patient oriented) medical career would likley be more atractive so State U is fine for that as well.</p>

<p>"And we are smart",,,,,,,,not really, look at your top SAT scores. 32 ha ha.</p>

<p>Clearly a troll.</p>

<p>If we are talking about smart, then you would know that 32 is an ACT score, not an SAT score.</p>

<p>You are a troll and a dumbass. There are real pros and real cons to this school that should be discussed, but none of the issues you touched are even close to the radar. My guess is that you are from UVA or some other school that tends to have a complex with Washington and Lee.</p>

<p>You are wrong, I was considering the school untill I looked deeper. No real merit schlorships always tells the tale of a school.</p>

<p>You mentioned these were not even the real problems at w%l,,,,,,please tell us what the real problems are.....Don't you think we have a right to know atthis late date?</p>