Waitlisted at CAS, do I have a chance?

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<p>I was waitlisted (surprised kinda) at NYU</p>

<p>I got into UCSD, UCBerkeley, and UCLA all under a biology major, but noy NYU</p>

<p>I really would like to go</p>

<p>My stats are
Indian Male born in Philadelphia, Living in Bay Area, CA</p>

<p>1490 SAT (800 M, 690 V)
800 SAT IIC
720 SAT Chem
660 SAT Writing </p>

<p>3.83 unweighted GPA
~4.2 weighted
3 in AP English 11 and in AP US History
4 in AP Chem </p>

<p>over 150 hours volunteering at local hospital
over 200 hours teaching at local martial arts school
7 years in martial arts
I had a job at a tutoring center for over a year and a half
active in some clubs…no huge leadership role in any at school…</p>

<p>I want to go to NYU, but also would need some financial aid…After being waitlisted, do you think I have a chance?
Should I bargain with them and tell them I got into UC Berkeley and such to try to boost myself?</p>

<p>Please help, any advice is appreciated</p>

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<p>thats surprising that u didnt get in… but if financial aid is a big factor, nyu might not be helpful… at university day today they said that there is no more scholarship money available so you would have to pay for it all in loans</p>

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<p>Ankur87,</p>

<p>If you’re on the waitlist, you still have a very real chance. Elite schools are using the waitlist more and more. If I were you, I’d let NYU know you’re still interested (and send them updates of your grades, activities, etc…assuming its all good of course). </p>

<p>“Should I bargain with them and tell them I got into UC Berkeley and such to try to boost myself?”</p>

<p>No, NYU could care less if you got into UC Berkeley. NYU is more selective than Berkeley also (higher average SAT). Also, NYU is on an upward tracjerctory, while UC Berkeley is going down the drain (even UCLA is surpassing it within the UC system). </p>

<p>SAT 50% range:
NYU: 1300-1450
UC Berkeley: 1190-1440</p>

<p>Sources:
<a href=“Undergraduate Admissions”>Undergraduate Admissions;
<a href=“http://cds.vcbf.berkeley.edu/[/url]”>http://cds.vcbf.berkeley.edu/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>does anyone know how many people were taken off the waitlist last year specifically for CAS?
do they actually re-review the applications of every person on the waitlist?</p>

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<p>“do they actually re-review the applications of every person on the waitlist?”</p>

<p>No, whether you get in off the waitlist or not depends on NYU’s needs (eg do they need another athlete, piano player, urm, person from XYZ state, XYZ major, etc.). This is the very purpose of the waitlist, so schools can accept people according to their needs. There is no need to re-review, the reviews are already done. Also, showing interest in NYU helps, as schools are always more likely to accept people who are more likely to attend (this increases yield and lowers acceptance rate). </p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

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<p>Hmm, is there any way at all that I can get some sort of scholarship, money or something to go to NYU?
I don’t really think such a school would run out of money, and I really want to attend.</p>

<p>Thanks for the comments jwblue and nearperfect</p>

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<p>i dont understand why you would take nyu cas (not stern) over Berkeley… unless ur sick of california…</p>

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<p>Well, first off, I’m considern UCSD over Berkeley. I’ve lived in Northern California for most of my life, and would like to experience something different. Plus, I don’t really like the Berkeley atmosphere…I really enjoy being in NY and I like the city life. As far as schools, NYU has a pretty good pre-med program from what I’ve read, and it is no small thing to graduate from there. I’m keeping my fingers crossed. </p>

<p>I called the admissions office in the morning, it’s so hard to get a hold of them since I am on PST and they run on EST…I left a message, then they left a message when I was at school, then I left another message again…
Hopegully, I will get a hold of someone tomorrow morning…</p>

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<p>JWBlue, your entire argument for any NYU school seems to revolve around your belief that SAT I averages are directly correlated to the quality of the university. Unfortunately, they are not. Higher SAT I quartiles are not sufficient to prove that NYU is superior to UC-Berkeley. The World University Rankings, although admittedly obscure and perhaps even incorrect in methodology, ranks UC- Berkeley 4th whilst NYU is not even mentioned in the top 30. Additionally, UC- Berkeley has a US News Peer Assessment score of 4.8, just below the HYPS and MIT whilst NYU comes in at a paltry 3.8. In terms of selectivity, Berkeley has a selectivity ranking of 13 whilst NYU’s is 33. This is further emphasized by the acceptance rates of the respective universities for the 2003-2004 academic year with Berkeley accepting 24% and NYU accepting 30% excluding early decision. </p>

<p>There is no doubt that Berkeley is the more prestigious and more recognized of the two universities with its reputation as a world renowned research institute. If I were you, I wouldn’t even bother staying on the NYU waitlist and instead, choose between UC – Berkeley and UCSD.</p>

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<p>"JWBlue, your entire argument for any NYU school seems to revolve around your belief that SAT I averages are directly correlated to the quality of the university.Unfortunately, they are not. Higher SAT I quartiles are not sufficient to prove that NYU is superior to UC-Berkeley. " </p>

<p>Who is talking about “proving” which is a superior university? I’m talking student bodies of the school. In my opinion student body quality has much more to do with how “good” a place is than US News peer assessment score, which after all is the opinion of ivory tower academics. Student body quality (as objectively measure by SAT scores) on the other hand is more akin to the word on the ground, ie a market driven approach. You can tell what the best schools are by where the most top students go…because informed consumers make informed choices. </p>

<p>Now I never said UCB was a bad school, its clearly an amazing school, whose strengths are more at the grad. level than the undergrad level (where NYU’s student body is more qualified). In fact, at the undergraduate level, even UCLA has surpassed Berkeley as the most selective school in the UC system.</p>

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<p>So, you think that using SAT I as a measure of the quality of a student body is justifiable? The higher the median SAT, the better the student body or, as you implied, the higher the median SAT the better the students that are attending a given institution? By this “objective,” method, Caltech should have superior/more talented students than MIT since Caltech’s median SAT I is 1520 whilst MIT’s is 1485. The SAT is an objective measure but not for the purpose that you are using it for. I find it very difficult for anyone to state that NYU has superior/more talented students than Berkeley at the undergraduate level, on the whole. I will concede that NYU may have superior students in certain fields, fine art or film for example.</p>

<p>To the OP, you should be considering more than just the quality of the student body at a university when making your decision. </p>

<p>And to jwblue, can you please provide some data that cites UCLA as being more selective than UCB?</p>

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<p>Ankur: SO you didn’t get into NYU, but come on, you got into Berk. just go to berk. its not the end of the world. i believe eventually we all end up where we belong. How i see it is, i didnt get into HYPS, but into NYU and wellesley, and waitlisted at washu. some stanford acceptees are trying to decide: </p>

<p>stanford vs dartmouth. </p>

<p>then some dartmouth people compareing </p>

<p>dartmouth vs berk. or UMich vs dartmouth</p>

<p>UMich vs Berk, then</p>

<p>UMich vs NYU. </p>

<p>So BASSICLLLY down this chain, i feel SOMEWHAT equivalent to Stanford people.</p>

<p>but anyways, just go to a college, come on, these are all top colleges, read your book, go to your parties, and then go to grad school. SIMPLE</p>

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<p>inuendo, Caltech has been better than MIT for the last 3-4 years…</p>

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<p>interestingly no many people ask NYU vs Stanford ha</p>

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<p>I dont understand why u didn’t get in… Anyways good luck</p>

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<p>“NYU accepting 30% excluding early decision.”</p>

<p>False. Last year, NYU’s acceptance rate was 28.6% INCLUDING early decision (RD was obviously lower). As far as Berkeley’s acceptance rate, keep in mind that with the UC common app. all thats required to apply to Berkeley is a simple check mark, so the app. number is a lot more than it would be if you had to apply to Berk. separately from the rest of the UCs (as is the case with private schools). </p>

<p><a href=“Undergraduate Admissions”>Undergraduate Admissions;

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<p>“So, you think that using SAT I as a measure of the quality of a student body is justifiable?”</p>

<p>Yes, why not? Every college in the country uses the SAT I to guage the quality of potential students, why can’t the same be used to guage the quality of a college’s own student body? As for your MIT/Caltech example, Caltech IS INDEED more selective than MIT; also a person admitted to both schools is more likely to choose Caltech. </p>

<p>“I find it very difficult for anyone to state that NYU has superior/more talented students than Berkeley at the undergraduate level”</p>

<p>Well thats your opinion, but NYU has a higher average SAT and more national merit scholars in last years entering class, take that for what its worth to you. This is to say nothing of all the CA community college transfers coming into Berkeley every semester. </p>

<p>Yes, I 100% agree with you that student body quality is not the only thing to consider when picking a college…far from it in fact (so many factors go into this, and its a subjective decision). However, student body quality is one undeniabley important factor. In college, you’ll learn as much from your classmates as from your professors (maybe even more). In addition to classes, these are people you’ll with which you’ll live in dorms, have late night discussions, and get intoxicated with. Your college classmates will also be your future colleagues and business/political connections. If you’re surrounded by better classmates, you’ll probably get a better education…so student body quality counts for something at the end of the day. </p>

<p>“And to jwblue, can you please provide some data that cites UCLA as being more selective than UCB?”</p>

<p>Listen–before attending prep. school and NYU back east, I grew up on the west coast, so I’m more than familiar with the UC system. There used to be a time when Berk. was the CLEAR flagship of the UC’s, and UCLA was its back up. Not so anymore, they actively compete now, and UCLA seems to have the upper hand in my opinion. The UC system as a whole is in decline (lots of funding problems and affirmative action issues), and relatively speaking, Berkeley seems to have done worse than UCLA. </p>

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<p>“UCLA recently surpassed UC Berkeley’s status as the most selective campus, with UCLA admitting only 15.5 percent compared to UC Berkeley’s 16.5 percent for fall 2004.”</p>

<p>Source:
<a href=“http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=31885[/url]”>http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=31885&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>more people apply to ucla and 1% is not a big difference at all.</p>

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<p>I never stated there was a “big difference”, my point was something different. I was asked for a cite, and I provided one.</p>

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<p>jwblue: berkeley is ranked higher, more internationally renown, has better name recognition, more research comes out of it, and is up there with mit/caltech for engineering and nyu/upenn for business.</p>

<p>also it’s ridiculously difficult to get into…much more so than nyu and slightly more so than ucla.</p>

<p>it’s slipping but you’re deluded if you think ucla or nyu is better or more selective.</p>

<p>uchicago’s acceptance rate is 42%, more than double that of most similarly ranked schools…does that make it worse?</p>

<p>to the OP: saying this as a member of the nyu class of '09, go to berkeley.</p>

<p>unless you REALLY want to be in nyc.</p>

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<p>OH WHO CARES WHOS BETTER. one day we’ll all laugh at this after we all get jobs.</p>