Waitlisted at CAS, do I have a chance?

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<p>“Natural intelligence is way better than academic success. Why do you think Intel winners or people who ace the AIME can get in to every school regardless of their grades?” - uh those people have academic success maybe? they demonstrated they can do work and do work.</p>

<p>their achievements (winning a huge national contest) put them at the top of the applicant pool.</p>

<p>only 12k people take the AIME and only 4 get a perfect score. average score is a freaking 2. (<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIME[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIME&lt;/a&gt;)</p>

<p>so yea, you’re a genius if you ace the AIME much more so than if you get an 800 on the SAT I math or SAT II math2c. you’re a rare dude and should have recruiters knocking down your door.</p>

<p>you picked the worst possible examples you could. why not ask why olympic medalists can get athletic scholarships anywhere?</p>

<p>“I took NYU over WashU, it is much better at econ. and math, my areas of study.” - good for you man. i got waitlisted at washu and i would have gone to NYU anyway if i had gotten in. but you have to admit that washu is much tougher to get into and has much more academic prestige.</p>

<p>“Honestly, who with a 1350 or 1400 SAT I didn’t take do well on the SAT II’s or completely skipped them? Stop being ■■■■■■■■, my friends weren’t lying, since they applied and got into other schools besides NYU that did require the SAT II. Maybe the world is a lie to you.” - no i just expect numbers and facts to back up what people tell me. 95% of statistics are made up on the spot and if NYU posts some SAT II stats that beat berkeley’s then i’ll happy eat my hat (that rhymes i am a gangsta rapper btw).</p>

<p>i know plenty of people who lied about their SAT scores. i could have said in this thread that i got a 1600/800/800/800 and there’s no way you could have proved definitively that i didn’t.</p>

<p>“Your link supports my argument, California is ranked 43 out of 50-pretty close to the deep south and damn near the bottom, it was beaten by Tenn, Oklahoma, and Georgia.” - you said it was at the bottom; not that it matters. i’m sure that the UC admissions boards aren’t ■■■■■■■■ and realize that there are plenty of bad public schools in their state and i’m sure they use that as an admissions factor. and as i’ve said, public high schools systems aren’t indicitive of the student body. MA and CT have the best public school systems in the country and yet their public unis are pretty crappy.</p>

<p>“Also, the illegals in California were not counted, that would even lower CA’s already dismal ranking. QED.” - nor were they counted in any other state.</p>

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<p>You don’t need a 15 on the AIME to be attractive to colleges. Even a really high but not perfect score is an awesome thing and pretty much a ticket anywhere. Although a great SAT I may not put as high on the intelligence food chain as a great AIME, the bottom line here is that intelligence trumps academic success at any level. Einstein failed classes, did it matter? No and colleges know this. The cream always rises to the top and academic success means nothing in the long run–most CEOs were C+/B- students. </p>

<p>Your MA and CT example is wrong. Good public high school system doesn’t authomatically mean good public university (ies) and I never said it did. However, it is fact that most UC Berkeley people are from bad high schools, how else can they have such low SATI’s and such high GPAs/class rankings. Either that or the entire state of CA is bad at test taking. CA also has a larger proportion of illegals than other states, so yeah it’s safe to say it’s one of the worst states as far as schools. QED again.</p>

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<p>hehehe, i got a 0 on the aime. i slept. whoohoo! well. i mean, i took it this year, so it didnt even matter.</p>

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<p>Don’t feel bad, it’s an absurd test. Even the average student taking it is far above average. Unless you’re a huge fan of math like me, that test might not be for you.</p>

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<p>“Your MA and CT example is wrong. Good public high school system doesn’t authomatically mean good public university (ies) and I never said it did. However, it is fact that most UC Berkeley people are from bad high schools, how else can they have such low SATI’s and such high GPAs/class rankings.” average SAT at Berkeley is 1300 which isn’t that bad. it might even be a little higher because princetonreview is usually wrong.</p>

<p>they do have good SAT IIs though, which shows they deserved their grades (Writing: 620-760; Math: 600-740) (<a href=“http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp)%5B/url%5D”>http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp)</a>.</p>

<p>how do you know they went to bad high schools? for all you know they went to the Stuy’s and the (insert elite public/private east coast school here)'s of the west. cali’s a big place and there are school districts outside of south central.</p>

<p>interestingly enough, the top quarter of SAT scores at both NYU and Berkeley is 1450. i’m sure that there are way more people with 1500+ at berkeley than NYU.</p>

<p>also, as i understand it, the AIME is a math knowledge test, not a reasoning test. it’s completely different from the SAT and not a valid comparison at all.</p>

<p>bowdoin doesn’t even require the SAT I (as they haven’t for the past 30 years or so) and they’re still ranked the #7 LAC, above all the maine colleges that do. it’s still an excellent school and based on the kids whom i’ve met who go there it’s filled with very intelligent workaholics.</p>

<p>while the SAT is usefull for comparing two applicants, it is not the be-all and end-all of tests.</p>

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<p>Crablover dude, have you ever took the AIME? Knowledge alone isn’t going to get you very far on the AIME at all, once again at a certain point natural intelligence takes over. You seem to think all people have an equal IQ, and that’s dumb. Also, how does a good SAT II mean you deserved a good grade, you said yourself you did well on history witout ever taking the whole class. I did well on US History and I goofed off in the class but studied from a Barron’s book 3 nights before the test.</p>

<p>Somebody in the top 10% should be scoring more than 1300, even Berkeley’s bottom quartile who score much less than 1300 are in the top 10% of their high school, this proves they come from crappy high schools. </p>

<p>“way more people with 1500+ at berkeley than NYU”-How so, NYU’s average is higher and the top quarter is the same you say, so this goes against standard bell curve distribution. Do you have any evidence or are you just Berkeley ■■■■■■■■?</p>

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<p>This is so turning into a social darwinism date…</p>

<p>the aime is bs, i got a 5, but my school locked us away in a little room by ourselves and everyone just used calculators.</p>

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<p>Boy has this thread led to a bevy of tangents. Quakerman is correct to point out the inferior high schools attended by in-staters at UCB, and I agree with Birch that natural intelligence>>academic success. </p>

<p>Crab kid’s flip flopping continues. After first saying that the number of national merit scholars in the student body is not important, Crab tries to show that Berkeley has a large number of scholars, which it clearly does not. NYU has twice as many.</p>

<h1>of national merit scholars (scholars…ie, WINNERS, not finalists, not semis):</h1>

<p>NYU: 155
Berkeley: 69</p>

<p>Source (you’ll need ms excel to open this):
<a href=“http://thecenter.ufl.edu/Top200-III...op200_merit.xls[/url]”>http://thecenter.ufl.edu/Top200-III...op200_merit.xls&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Interesting how Crab brings up SAT I 75th percentiles (btw NYU has the edge there 1450 vs. 1440), because if one looks at the 25th percentiles, NYU is about 100 points higher than Berkeley (1300 vs. 1190). At Berkeley you are way more likely to find a 1200 SAT I than a 1500. </p>

<p>As for the SAT II’s, those Berkeley numbers do not include the in-state transfers (mostly from community college) who make up around 25% of the student body there (NYU only enrolls about 700 transfers), and the SAT I stats for don’t include these C.C. transfers either. These people from community college further bring down Berkeley’s student body quality, and they make up 1/4 of it. </p>

<p>When the new SAT I is used, I’m certain NYU will continue to trump Berkeley in terms of average score, probably by an even larger margin than now. I’d even bet lotsa moohlah on it. One school is moving on up, the other is declining, as any wall street trader will tell you–“the trend is your friend”.</p>

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<p>ABIII, haha, no i meant, i ACTUALLY slept. I didnt want to take it. I personally sabotaged my AMC halfway through, but i got a 100. I know, what work ethic.</p>

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<p>Ha, thats great Ranisparkle, actually sleeping during the test. Mattistotle, you can’t use a calculator during the test and you have to be pretty good just to take it. Your school is kind of shady for doing that though, I would think it would be against AIME rules to have unproctored tests.</p>

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<p>Yeah, i know. Nothing really comes out of it…so i was like, hmm, i could use a nap… only 3 of us qualified, and the others actually wanted to take the test, and they were juniors…so i decided that the paper could double as a pillow and i just caught up on some shut-eye! hahaha</p>

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<p>Sorry, I have been away from this thread for a while. Why are we talking about AIME scores and measures of intelligence. I thought the point of this discussion was how much better Berkeley is than NYU?</p>

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<p>The point of the discussion should actually be for the OP, who wants to know her chances of getting into NYU off the waitlist…I have no idea how it turned into such an obnoxious argument. I’m sure the OP hasn’t even been reading it anymore.</p>