<p>Hey, I can sing “God bless America” louder than you. </p>
<p>Both sides on this post should just call it a day. Neither side is going to buge an inch. SO What’s the point of continuing this mess?</p>
<p>I’d prefer “Kumbaya”, Opie.</p>
<p>this land is your land, this land is my land…</p>
<p>The point of dialogue is to find common ground, however small that ground may be.</p>
<p>Clinton did stop terror attacks and I congratulate him for that, yet he did not do nearly enough. This current President is doing much much more, although, in my opinion, still not enough. I want to see th secret CIA prisons up and running, same with guantanmo bay, i want racial profiling in airports and other places that can accomadate that, and i want not letheal violent interrogation aka torture used on terrorists</p>
<p>golani:
hope they don’t pick you up by mistake and ‘disappear’ you to a secret prison. But I guess we can rely on the gov’t good will and competence, so that is unlikely to happen :)</p>
<p>I am curious, and I am sure many other are curious why you are against racial profiling, “torture”, and ‘secret’ prisons.</p>
<p>You also made a very interesting point, without realizing. And I am glad you did so because you, without even realizing it, have shown that this government has “good will and competence” and it is unlikely that it will make mistakes in the “torture” and apprehension of murderers. I think that is important to understand because torture is not a light issue and it should be taken seriously and the government should make every effor to insure it has captured a guilty person. You seem to know that, I know that, and apparantely you also believe the government knows that too.</p>
<p>Just guessing, Golani, but I don’t think GLA’s reference to “gov’t good will and competence” was an inadvertent slip of the tongue. Sounded more like sarcasm to me.</p>
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<p>Wow, Clinton, way to stop terrorism there. Maybe we should allow armed robbers and tax evaders to escape as well. Interesting, Mr. Clinton, a tad bit unorthodox, but interesting…cough…sarcasm! ;)</p>
<p>(i know you are gonna go- ACLU??? who cares- but the documents are public information now and produced by the feds)</p>
<p>The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) released documents of forty-four autopsies held in Afghanistan and Iraq October 25, 2005. Twenty-one of those deaths were listed as homicides. The documents show that detainees died during and after interrogations by Navy SEALs, Military Intelligence, and Other Government Agency (OGA). </p>
<p>One of forty-four U.S. military autopsy reports reads as follows: “Final Autopsy Report: DOD 003164, (Detainee) Died as a result of asphyxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) due to strangulation as evidenced by the recently fractured hyoid bone in the neck and soft tissue hemorrhage extending downward to the level of the right thyroid cartilage. Autopsy revealed bone fracture, rib fractures, contusions in mid abdomen, back and buttocks extending to the left flank, abrasions, lateral buttocks. Contusions, back of legs and knees; abrasions on knees, left fingers and encircling to left wrist. Lacerations and superficial cuts, right 4th and 5th fingers. Also, blunt force injuries, predominately recent contusions (bruises) on the torso and lower extremities. Abrasions on left wrist are consistent with use of restraints. No evidence of defense injuries or natural disease. Manner of death is homicide. Whitehorse Detainment Facility, Nasiriyah, Iraq.”</p>
<p>They were probably just terrorists, CGM. Rules of the Geneva Convention do not apply.</p>
<p>And I guess we should trust everything the interrogators tell us…becuase of course they would always get the right guy…and never cover things up and have never grabbed innocent people and had to let them go</p>
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I guess I’m just not a big city person like you, CGM, because I believe that American military personnel are decent people doing their best in a difficult situation. I will continue to believe that about all military personnel except for those servicemen and women who are proven guilty of a crime - the same presumption of innocence I afford all American citizens.</p>
<p>" guess I’m just not a big city person like you, CGM, because I believe that American military personnel are decent people doing their best in a difficult situation. I will continue to believe that about all military personnel except for those servicemen and women who are proven guilty of a crime - the same presumption of innocence I afford all American citizens."</p>
<p>I’m from a bigger city than CGM and I share your opinion. As a side note, I saw the interview on tv last night of a soldier who left Walter Reed and stopped to speak to some protesters. The first thing they said to him was a dismissive comment about him being from the south. Is that common among the left? Bias against the south? The reason I think of this is because CGM has made Deliverance posts in the past.</p>
<p>Sorry if I showed we do torture and to the death for all you neighsayers, go about your business…</p>
<p>i think most military personal are good hardworking honest people, and those in Abu Gharib, no one believed it was them that did it either</p>
<p>but if military autopsies aren’t enough for you, I understand, sometimes the truth is to hard to take</p>
<p>CGM,</p>
<p>Your anti-military comments are tedious. I could link reports that show all kinds of people do bad things: men & women, black & white & brown, lawyers & plumbers & professors, old & young, gay & straight, and so on. The fact that some military personnel do bad things in war is regrettable. It does not, however, prove that the Bush Administration is evil or that going to war is always wrong.</p>
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I suspect you were being sarcastic, Allmusic, but until the recent US Supreme Court opinion in Hamdan it was commonly accepted throughout the world that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to terrorists. FWIW, here was the Bush Administration’s position on unlawful combatants and their status prior to the Hamdan case:</p>
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<p>Why we might not break the next Khalid Sheikh Mohammad.
<a href=“http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008938[/url]”>http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008938</a></p>
<p>I was being sarcastic DRJ, yes. However, we do not know that many of those people incarcerated at the moment really are or aren’t terrorists. Some are, some aren’t, but they have no due process of law, so we don’t know either way.</p>
<p>Allmusic,</p>
<p>This is not cops and robbers where the standard is “It’s better to let 10 guilty men go free than to jail 1 innocent man.” We are at war. The end result of discouraging aggressive interrogation may very well be that terrorist events that might have been prevented, won’t.</p>