<p>Terrorists were murdering American soldiers, decapitating hostages, talking about killing Americans long before any soldier set foot in Iraq or Afghanistan. Do you really believe that the reason the terrorist groups are so violent and merciless is because about 50 yrs after their creation American soldiers tortured murderers for information about other murderers, but I apreciate CGM telling me to enlist in the American army because she realized she was at a dead end and she had to choose from her arsenal either “Bush is a nazi” or “why are you not serving in the army”. Maybe she realized that torture is to save her l life</p>
<p>I have a feeling that if CGM were captured by terrorists, they would tie her up, lay her on the couch, and then not let her eat potato chips or watch Oprah. Just my guess. That is the kind of evil we’re up against.</p>
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If 9/11 taught us anything, it taught us that every American is fair game. We’ve been fair game since Iran took our diplomats hostage on November 4, 1979. Unfortunately, it took us 22 years to fully realize and accept that the rules had changed.</p>
<p>DRJ, I happen to agree with you…every American is fair game to the Islamic terrorists.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, we are not going to “win” against them using conventional firepower…or torture. Our efforts to do so have only increased terrorism worldwide.</p>
<p>The threat from the Soviet Union during the Cold War was even more dire. We literally faced nuclear annhilation. However, we “contained” communism; we could also “contain” militant Islam, because even the US and Israel, with the most sophisticated defense systems in the world, have been unable to quell it using traditional weaponry and firepower.</p>
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This is where I disagree completely. We are in more peril now than we ever were during the cold war. In dealing with the Soviet Union, we knew exactly who we were dealing with. An attack on us included a return address such that we could respond with devastating force. This concept of mutually assured destruction between to state governments who both valued life and self-preservation worked remarkably well. With the war against Islamo-facism, all of this has changed. They can kill thousands or millions in a single attack and we cannot respond with any more force than rounding up a posse and then trying to hunt down the people responsible - most of whom are likely to be already dead since they were eager to check out the virgins waiting for them on the other side.</p>
<p>Also note that the way that we are trying to “contain” the terrorists goes way beyond “traditional weaponry”. It includes better, more rigorous interrogation techniques, a dention system that assures once the bad guys are caught that they stay caught, an intelligence gathering approach that allows us to listen to conversations of terrorists and a bank monitoring system that allows us to track their financial dealings. All of these things which have been used to keep us safe in the last 5 years are targets of the Democrats.</p>
<p>golani, it was not a last resort, if this is something you so believe, why are you not over there…a serious question… but since you think this is so important, why are you not enlisting, and since you won’t answer the question, well, what can I say? and FF, and Beruhah, and Driver…</p>
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<p>SUre I would love to answer your question. I am not over there right now because I have other more pressing things to take care of in my life. Just because I am supportive of the army does not mean I have to be fighting in the army. That is connection that makes no sense to me. I do not understand why I have to fight in the army if I am in favor of war techniques that will save my life or your life.</p>
<p>What happened to Driver’s thread entitled “Why we fight”? I wanted to add this comment to that thread but since I can’t find it, I’ll put it here.</p>
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<p>so why is this guy in jail and the guy that tried to bring on dynamite in his luggage let go…</p>
<p>by the way, don’t the restaurants in airports have knives…jsut wondering</p>
<p>this is suspicious, of course, but remember the lady who was a bit off who they claimed had all kinds of weird stuff, and shee didn’t, and waht about the Jewish gentleman kicked off a plane for praying</p>
<p>When we are told it was concealed in such a manner, well, we haven’t always been told the truth about what they find, have we?</p>
<p>My point is, anyone can get a knife at an airport very easily, as well the WHITE guy with explosives is let go for stupidity…so is it that white Americans are just dumb?</p>
<p>CGM do you understand that our enemy is muslim arabs, not white guys.</p>
<p>oh security is not for everyone? so if a white guy takes a knife from a restaurant onto a plane, he can break the law…got it</p>
<p>It depends what he intends to do with the knife. Chances are the white guy isnt trying to kill anyone. He should still be put under investigation, until the true conclusion is reached. However it is far more likely that an Arab is trying to murder innocent passengers on a plane than some white guy. But to differentiate between and passenger who accidently brought something on a plane and a passenger who brought something intentionally on a plane, airpots security have behavior analyst who are trained to figure out who is a threat. Regardless of what you think and say these people know hats going on and a re more effective than an x-ray machine. These people are present at all el-al flight counters and such and because of their prescense there has never been a terrorist attack on an el-al passenger flight even though it is the most sought after target airplane for arab muslim terrorists. But in general arabs deserve more scrutiny than any other group because they are our enemy. The terrorist wont be wearing any uniforms and there wont be any way to distinguish them from innocent arabs and so yoou must focus on all of them. It is the only logical move you can take. I cannot see how you can be against it.</p>
<p>John Lindh, amyone?</p>
<p>Rite although he wasnt an Arab he was a muslim who had been to afghanistan and that was recorded on his passport and other records. Regardless of one rare case not being obviously an arab man, thevast majority are and those we must pursue. I simply cannot udnerstand why anyone would want to play games with their lives for the sake of politcal correctness. If anyone feels that this war is against terror in general and not global muslim arab terror than they are just blind.</p>
<p>Golani, now I am sure you are the Skidude (Skirossignol, and whatever other alias was banned).</p>
<p>Not all Muslims are terrorists, remember that. You paint with a very, very broad and rather ugly brush.</p>
<p>I am not sure what that means…First off I never said that all Muslims are terrorists and you know that, but you are just trying to distract from the topic at hand. This war is against Middle-Eastern Muslims. 2nd. If you feel I am mischracterizing our enemy that please tell me who are we fighting. A. We are not fighting Baider-meinhof or Kahane chai or Peurto Rican Separtists. Do you agree? B.On September 11, 2001, the unofficial start of this terror war, America was attacked by 19 terrorists who were all Middle Eastern by Region, Sadui Arabian by nationality, Arab by ethnicity, and Muslim by religion. Do you agree? C. The 19 terrorists who we established to be Middle Eastern Saudi Arabian-Arab-Muslims killed 2,996 Americans because they felt that they were being wronged as Muslims and Arabs. Do you agree? D. The 19 terrorists who we established to be Middle Eastern Saudi-Arabian-Arab-Muslims felt that it was their Islamic religious duty to kill 2,996 Americans and that they will be rewarded with Paradise for their actions. Do you agree? E. Prior to Septermber 11, 2006 , on October 12, 2000, 2 men rammed a ship filled with explosives into the hull of America’s ship, the USS Cole. Do you agree? E. The two men were Middle Eastern by region, Yemanese by nationality, Arab by ethnicity, and Muslim by religion. Do you agree? F. On December 14, 1999 United States officials apprehended a man on the Candian-American border with nitroglycerin and 4 timing devices. Do you agree? G. This man planned to bomb LAX airport on January 1, 2000. Do you agree? This man was Middle-Eastern by region, Algerian by nationality, Arab by ethnicity, and Muslim by religion. Do you agree? H. On February 23, 1997 a man starts shooting people on an observation deck at the Empire State Building. Do you agree? I. This man was Middle Eastern by region, Palestinian/Jordanian by nationality, Arab by ethnicity, and Muslim by religion. Do you agree? J. On February 26, 1993 a man blew up the garage of the World Trade Center. Do you agree? K. This man was Middle Eastern by region, Kuwaiti by nationality, Arab by ethnicity, and Muslim by religion. Do you agree? L. We are fighting a terror war against Middle-Eastern Muslims. Do you agree?</p>
<p>These are just a minor portion of Middle Eastern- Muslim attacks on only AMERICAN interests from 1993-2006. This list only includes one of the many foiled terrorist attacks to be perpetrated by middle-eastern muslim men. This does not include attacks by middle-eastern muslim men on other countries. </p>
<p>All of these examples have a few things in common. They are all perpetrated by Middle Eastern Muslims. All of the perpetrators hate Americans including you. All of the perpetrators hate Jews. All of the perpatrators are acting out of the SAME reasons. All of the perpatrators are expecting to go to Paradise after the attacks. So you tell me is this a War on Terror against everyone. Or is this a War on Terror against Middle Eastern Muslims.</p>
<p>So here’s my question: What happened to Driver’s thread on “Why we fight”? I still can’t find it.</p>
<p>The mods took it away this morning. Freedom of speech, and all that…</p>
<p>We are not fighting this war against Middle Eastern Muslims. Are you kidding me? There are millions and millions of middle Eastern Muslims who are not terrorists, who are just trying to raise their families, and go to school, just like the rest of us.</p>
<p>We are fighting this war against militant Islam, of which some are Middle Eastern Muslims, and some might be Europeans, or Africans, or Indonesians…or even Americans.</p>
<p>So the answer to your question, </p>
<p>“Or is this a War on Terror against Middle Eastern Muslims.”</p>
<p>is NO.</p>
<p>I think you understood when I said that we are fighting middle eastern muslim men that we are not fighting every single one of them, but the terrorists among them. Its really something that does not even need to be clarified, but i guess you had nothing else to say to that. However because most muslims are not terrorists does not mean that most terrorists are not muslim, because in fact in this war they are. So you in essence u do agree with me that we are fighting a war against middle eastern muslim terrorists ( i will add in the word in case people dont understand the obviouis). And we are not just fighting american muslims, we are fighting muslims in america that are of middle eastern descent. I am much more worried about someone with a visa from saudi arabia than my muslim neighbor</p>