What are your thoughts about dying?

Every single person is at risk of dying due to the coronavirus. We are all at different ages and have different expectations about how our treatment would go if we become infected. I am age 69 and so no treatment is expected. I know that my D and such would be intubated if there was enough available at the time of her/his need.

So my thoughts are turning to “what do I feel about dying at this stage of my life? What do I think is next?”

Anyone want to discuss? If this is too sad or morbid then that is fine. Looking for kindred spirits.

I find solace in preparing myself for the next step, however frightening.

I am 69 and I most definitely do not want to die of COVID-19. I’ve got things to do and places to go. I will really be pissed if I am shuffled to the end of the line because of my age. Not with a bang but a whimper, oh please not yet.

I don’t wish to die at this point, but I would prefer to die too young than live too long. I don’t want to live long enough to develop dementia, as my mother did.

This thread needs to die.

I think about it often, for many reasons.

In the course of my adult life, the focus of activity has been on establishing a legacy that forever alters the trajectory of family history. I’m a big fan of the long view.

Hiao-Tsiun Ma, father of Yo-Yo Ma, said, “It takes three generations to make a musician: the first to leave poverty, the second to go to school, and the third to master an instrument.”

What happens next, Covid-19 or no Covid-19, is out of my hands. I’m at peace with what I have done.

@oregon101 – your chances of dying this year from a Covid 19 infection are far less than your chances of dying from any number of other causes. On an individual level, risk is quite low. The reason for the extreme efforts to curtail the spread (school closures, bans on large gatherings, pressure for social distancing) – is because the very small fraction of people who will die - or be at risk of dying – is enough to completely overwhelm our health care system if the number of exposures/infections gets too high.

And when that happens it will impact health care for all sorts of things – that is, if the hospitals get overwhelmed, you are just as likely to die from lack of access to treatment for something else entirely as from coronavirus.

The leading cause of death in our age group (over 65) is heart disease and cancer. About 650,000 people in the US will die of heart disease this year, another 600,000+ from cancer. But they don’t all show up at the hospital at the same time to die, nor do they all need the same intense level of care (ventilators, prolonged time in ICU).

I’m not a statistician, but I don’t think that your individual risk of dying will change materially because of Covid 19. That is, I’m age 66 and social security actuarial tables put my risk of dying this year at around 1%. Maybe enough old people will die from the pandemic to tweak that number up slightly – but not something high enough to be stressing over.

The reason that you and I need to stay home and avoid socializing and crowds is NOT because of a huge risk that we will get infected and die, but because of the risk that we might get infected and NOT get too sick and NOT die… in which case if we are going about our normal business we would spread the virus to many more people. Even an 80-year-old is far more likely to live than to die from the virus – but if you have six or seven 80-year-old’s infected, then odds are that at least one of them will die.

A 35-year-old is much less likely to die, but if 500 35-year-old’s are infected, then odds are that one of them will die.

So that’s why they shutting down places & events where people congregate. Because if people don’t come in contact with the virus, they won’t get sick – and the medical profession is hoping to push things out enough that they can handle the load and (I hope) also develop better treatment protocols. For example, if they find out that a particular antiviral drug or combination of drugs is effective – then they will be able to give more patients drugs and rely less on ventilators.

So seriously – right now from your post it seems that the biggest threat from Covid 19 is your mental health – and I think that is a very real concern, because even though I live alone and am in introverted homebody in any case, I am already feeling the depressive effects of this forced sequestration. Social isolation is a huge risk factor for depression – and yet here we are.

While I certainly dont want to die bc I want to be here to raise my children, watch my grandkids grow up, and grow old with my dh, I know what comes at death and I have peace and joy in that.

I am Catholic and have a deep faith in God and salvation. We as a family have had many whispers from heaven in our lives that affirm we are surrounded by His love, little things that are too coincidental to be coincidental.

For example, we moved to a new city when I was pregnant with one of our children. We hadn’t gotten to know more than a couple of people. One was an “older” :wink: couple from our church with children middle school age (dh and I were in our early 20s). . Our daughter died. The dh from that couple owned the local funeral home. It may sound crazy to outsiders, but knowing he was the one who went to the hospital and lovingly took care of her (which he later shared was one of the hardest things he had ever done) was what kept me from going off the deep end. Looking back yrs later, we had nothing in common with that family. Our paths crossing when they did was not coincidence. We would normally not have been in that family’s friend group. Our paths crossed bc I needed them in my life. They brought me so much comfort

When my father was dying, I prayed for the intercession of St. Andre Bessette. My dad was French Canadian and was raised by his grandmother bc his mother had died at birth. His grandmother was close friends with Brother Andre. When I was little, my dad would tell me how he had eaten breakfast with him and sat on his lap while Brother Andre talked to his grandmother. I remember the day Br. Andre was canonized bc my dad was so excited. I prayed asking Brother Andre to walk my dad, his little friend, to heaven when he died. My dad had been given permission by his drs to travel to our house for Christmas. He unexpectedly died at our house on New Years Eve. After arranging for his body to be shipped back to his state, his funeral was Jan 6. After his funeral, I went to his assisted living apt. I walked into the room he had beed using as an office just to sit and be quiet in his space. As I was sitting there, my attention was drawn to a calendar he had on his wall. It was the new calendar for that yr, so he must have hung it up before he left for the holidays at our house. In red marker he had circled St. Andre Bessette’s feast day and had highlighted his name…Jan 6. I sat there stunned. I had had no idea St. Andre’s feast day was Jan 6. I just started to weep in peace… That was not coincidence. That was a whisper from heaven.

Doesn’t fit into my schedule for a while.

Thoughts about dying? I am not in favor of it.

@calmon wow, one of the best posts I’ve read on this website. Thank you.

@Mom2aphysicsgeek your post made me smile, our family has had so many of those “little whispers” that are too coincidental to be coincidences. Much love to you and your family.

My son is up there waiting for me. My mom now too. When it’s my time, I will go not only without fear but with some anticipation to be with my baby.

Lots of little whispers for us too. Sometimes even louder.

I don’t think about it too much, I guess.

I am probably much more anxious about a financial set back that we cannot recover from.

@momofsenior1 , I am right there with you. My son is also up there waiting for me, and I can’t wait to see him again. Since he passed in February of 2019, I have made my peace with leaving this earth. He has sent me many beautiful signs that he is still with me, and that our souls live on forever. I think it is extremely healthy to think about death, people are so afraid to even think or talk about it.

We have a meeting with the lawyer to sign our wills on Thursday. That focuses the mind on death. We are redoing our wills since our youngest daughter turns 25 next month. Ugh.

I think about dying like I think about taxes. With all due respect to Ben Franklin, I’m always trying to get out of paying my taxes…

Our minister used to call those type of coincidences, “godincidences”.

I don’t like to think about dying. Yes, I’m afraid of pain. But it’s going to happen, so I don’t want to give up precious time being sad.

I believe in God, Catholic teaching about eternity.
I am looking at updating estate planning, decluttering so there’s not a big mess left for my family.
Having a lingering disability or long term loss of income and health insurance frighten me more than the thought of a quick death.

@Calmon , great post. Thanks for saving me the trouble of trying to say something similar and botching it. Especially the mortality numbers for heart disease and cancer.

I think it’s great to share thoughts about dying. Just don’t get all down and morbid and thinking death is imminent due to the coronavirus.

Since I am an atheist, I think this wonderful fantastic miracle of life we have here on Earth is all we get. So I hope to prolong it to the extent possible, considering a reasonable quality of life but recognizing that when it’s over, it’s over. One of the few things we all have in common is that we are all going to die, at some point. I would be happy to live to be 120 or so, but it could all end tomorrow too, or… checking my calendar… even today.