<p>My sister recently graduated from SUNY Binghamton with a 3.7 average and a 149 on her LSATS. She is african american. she was heavily involved in extracuriculars and had tons of experience. This year she applied to all the top schools like Harvard and Yale and was rejected by about 15 of them. She was waitlisted first at cornell and virginia than rejected, but i think that shows she had a little bit of a chance. What do you advise her to do?? she wanted to get her masters in international relations from the university of miami next year but im not sure if that will help. she also has her paralegal degree. will it help her to have work experience?? or do you suggest she buckles down and improves her score to apply next year?? any advice will be greatly appreciated. After I got into Stanford, my sister seems to be very depressed that she had nowhere to go and i really want to help her out. thanks in advance</p>
<p>A 149 is a ridiculously low LSAT score, and it was not very smart to even think of applying to Harvard, Yale, or anything of that degree!! My suggestion is for your sister to crack open a LSAT book, try STUDYING, and realize that affirmative action will, of course, get you most of the way… but you atleast have to try. And, I know you’re gonna tell me she did study and if that’s the case then she doesn’t belong at a Tier 1 or 2 school.</p>
<p>The fact that she wasn’t flat-out rejected with a 149 says a lot. She could:</p>
<p>*reapply to schools which she has more of a shot at (i.e. outside of the top 20, where the median LSAT is about a 165)
*re-take the LSATs
*if her SATs were really low but underpredicted her college performance, she should mention that - many admissions people will conclude that her LSATs won’t predict her law school performance
*Master’s degree could help. Work experience would be important only at some schools, and then only if it’s something which shows that she can succeed at law school. Paralegaling isn’t good for that - it’s good to see if you want to be a lawyer, but that’s it. Master’s would show that she can succeed academically beyond the undergrad level.
*Re-take the LSATs, re-take the LSATs! Look through Xiggi’s test prep advice for the SAT, because it applies beautifully to the LSAT. She should be consistently scoring above 160 on practice tests before re-taking.</p>
<p>my sister got a 1030 SAT but ended up with a 3.7 in a double major and was honor speaker for her january graduation</p>
<p>i really dont want to end up in the same situation as my sister so can you guys give me a little bit of advice. I am an african american who is going to Stanford and double majoring in history and urban studies. What gpa do you think I need to get into a top 10 school??? I just want a goal to live up to because I know this isnt high school and that the perfect grade wont come easily. Also what LSAT should I look to?? i know my sisters had a horrible grade but I did better than her on the SAT (1330) and ACT (32) so i expect to do better than her on that exam as well. thanks again</p>
<p>Your sister should let every law school know that she got a 1030 SAT. She can demonstrate that she does not test well at all, and her SATs were not predictive of her college performance. </p>
<p>She should also apply to BC and American, both of which ask for SAT scores (possibly for just that reason). </p>
<p>Futhermore, she should ask for interviews at every school she applies to. They are not commonly given, but, as someone who has average SAT scores and is a very successful student, she has a story to tell.</p>
<p>If you got a 1330 on the SAT, you’re more than capable of doing well on the LSAT. For top 10 schools, aim for at least a 3.5 GPA and a 165 LSAT.</p>
<p>thank you so much for your help</p>
<p>Lsat 149 wl Cornell Law Sat 1330 in Stanford & Yale UG</p>
<p>AA good or bad ?</p>
<p>Awful!!! I’m surprised that UVa actually waitlisted her…(UVa is better than Cornell in LAW)</p>
<p>me---->learned English in 3 years and got a 1420 in old SAT and 4.3 GPA--------->CAN NEVER EVER get in yale or stanford undergrad, Why?
Answer: Because I’m Asian 
AND I’m Chinese :(</p>
<p>Untitled: that’s undergrad. Law is different - it is still a very white profession. While some schools are good with diversity, others are not - and “good with diversity” is still lilly-white compared to undergrad. </p>
<p>What really matters is which grad/law/med school you go to, not undergrad.</p>
<p>My 1550 old SAT and 4.2 wouldn’t get me into Yale or Stanford undergrad. :p</p>
<p>Law is different - it is still a very white profession. </p>
<p>So Asian should not be penalized, either.</p>
<p>Is it penalized? That would really surprise me…</p>
<p>Excerpted </p>
<p>The model minority myth has had the same effect on some admissions programs which now fail to consider Asian Americans as diversity applicants. For example, the Stanford Asian and Pacific Islander Law Students Association (APILSA) wrote a memorandum to the faculty of Stanford Law School, questioning the Stanford Law School’s treatment of all Asian ethnicities in aggregate and the school’s failure to include any of them in the diversity admissions program. </p>
<p>In a recent law review article, Paul Brest, the Dean of the Stanford Law School, noted that the number of Asian American law students has grown over the last decade and appears to continue to grow with a large majority of these students being Chinese, Korean, or Japanese Americans. </p>
<p>Despite the widely held belief that Asian Americans have succeeded in accessing mainstream America, out of the entire American legal profession in 1990 Asian Americans comprised only 1.4% of the lawyers and only 1.02% of the total number of judges.</p>
<p>Asian Americans have been painted as being the victims of race-conscious classifications. Race-conscious classifications have been targeted as the reason why Asian Americans are being denied admission to highly selective schools. This argument states that if schools would use a strictly meritocratic system and discontinue the use of racial preferences, more higher-scoring Asian Americans would be admitted. Alternatively, race-conscious classifications and the call for diversity have been criticized as allowing a preference for whites over Asians. </p>
<p>Professor Wu states that “[t]he real risk to Asian Americans is that they will be squeezed out to provide proportionate representation to whites, not due to the marginal impact of setting aside a few spaces for African Americans.” Some have criticized diversity programs which call for proportional representation as creating quotas for whites when there are “too many Asians.”</p>
<p>No, it is because you are a loser (to the asian guy witih the 1430 and the 4.3GPA)</p>
<p>In high school, I got a crappy 3.6 and like a 1200 SATs ( I am chinese BTW ) and then ended up graduating with a 3.99 and a 1460 on my SATs and SAT II scores of 730/770/800/800/800/800/800 (Eh I took every single SAT II I could) and got into all the schools I applied to, including YALE, PRINCETON, MIT, CORNELL, etc.</p>
<p>In regards to the thread topic, not to be racist or anything but your sister is african american and has a HUGE advantage over all white/asians. HUGE advantage. My african american friends that attended my ivy league institution were accepted with lower SAT scores of 1200 (old SAT) and a GPA of 2.7. For LAW SCHOOL, the concept is the same.</p>
<p>your sister has a chance of getting into any TOP law school even with a 149. </p>
<p>Best of luck to her.</p>
<p>I know African Americans with 1400s (old SAT), As, and varsity sports who were rejected from Ivies. It’s not just who gets in (which could be legacy, the fact that they are from South Dakota and the college wants kids from all 50 states), or the fact that they also play the trombone and no other decent applicant plays the trombone. It could have been a great recommendation or a phenomenal essay. It could be a talent of which you are not aware - dancing, singing, excellent athletics. It wouldn’t hurt to examine the quality of the people who are rejected from such schools as well. But then again, that might be rational and doesn’t fit with your agenda.</p>