<p>Interesting. I didn’t realise that Arnold was is both a citizen of Austria and governor of California. Neat trick that.</p>
<p>Though not everyone in Austria is happy about it.</p>
<p><a href=“http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4198633.stm[/url]”>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4198633.stm</a></p>
<p>Yes there are quite literally millions of dual citizen Americans. Some cannot get rid of their foreign citizenship even if they want to. I believe the old Soviet Union did not recognize a rnunciation of citizenship.</p>
<p>Arnold is probably guilty of a crime in Austria for doing his constitutional duty as governor of California. Oh wait I forgot conyat is the guy who wants foreigners to make our laws. That is what his open borders policy is all about.</p>
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<p>What a liar you are. Are you really so weak in your own convictions that the only way you can support them is to lie about other people?</p>
<p>I specifically said that I don’t even have a policy on immigration, much less open borders. I’ve only said that I oppose the current system because of the exploitation it produces.</p>
<p>It’s true that when you bring up things that simply aren’t true to support your positions, I bring in actual facts to counter your fairy tales. I do that not because of my convictions about immigration, but because of my conviction that public policy should be informed by fact and not misconceptions or deceit.</p>
<p>I know everyone wants to “win” these discussions, but I think you should really draw the line at outright lying about other posters.</p>
<p>Oh just in case anyone is wondering why Beardslee wasn’t paroled after 24 years on death row instead of sent for a dirt nap…</p>
<p>“Condemned murderer Donald Beardslee, who killed two young Peninsula women in 1981 while on parole from an earlier murder conviction”</p>
<p>I am sure the system failed him in his rahbilitation. Probably Reagan’s fault. There are no bad boys only bad conservatives :-)</p>
<p>By the way, before you decide I’m against the death penalty or in favor of murdering women, I only brought up that article because I thought it was interesting (and it was the first reliable documentation I found of Arnold’s dual citizenship). I don’t have any strong opinion on the death penalty, and I’m against murdering women.</p>
<p>But I don’t expect you to let a little thing like a fact get in the way of your paranoid ideation about me.</p>
<p>“We took in Hmong, Mien, Laotian, Cambodian, and Vietnamese refugees, and now it is time we stepped up to the plate for the Iraqi refugees.”</p>
<p>You are absolutely right. But at the same time let’s get Mr. Bush and his friend Vicente Fox to deal with the Mexican economy. We are not staging a war there, in fact, the US tourism dollars help them along with the jobs we exported there through NAFTA.</p>
<p>By the way, in my part in the US, where there are few jobs (went South) and few illegals, the landscapers are Americans, born and bred here, and the lawns look very nice this year. And their prices are good.</p>
<p>Regarding “unrenouncible” citizenship, I recall that Iran also does not recognize such claims to the point that any ex-patriot Iranian male can be drafted into the military if he ever returns to Iran.</p>
<p>“Regarding “unrenouncible” citizenship, I recall that Iran also does not recognize such claims to the point that any ex-patriot Iranian male can be drafted into the military if he ever returns to Iran.”</p>
<p>That happened to my friend’s 19 year old son last summer. Was stuck there for months. Very, very scary.</p>
<p>“e are not staging a war there, in fact, the US tourism dollars help them along with the jobs we exported there through NAFTA.”</p>
<p>Who’s “them”? The hundreds of thousands kicked off their lands and, if they are lucky, are likely to work in unregulated, polluting textile factories?</p>
<p>It’s a war. Only the devastation wrought on the people is worse than most wars. I"ve seen it worldwide. If you want, I’ll take you to one of my “favorite” spots, and you can see it firsthand.</p>
<p>As for the Mexican government, it’s just a client state, much as we are a client state of Saudi Arabia.</p>
<p>^^ I don’t think a whole lot of people were kicked off their land at a lot of the Maquiladoras just the other side of the border from San Diego. I think most of the factories were built on empty land. They have brought a lot of jobs to Mexico. There is a concern that some of the factories would never pass the environmental regulations that exist on this side of the border but that varies from company to company. Not all of these companies are USA ones either, most Japanese consumer electronics firms you can think of have large assembly factories just on the other side of the border.</p>
<p>The Maquiladora program was/is fairly successful in terms of economic development and jobs. President Salinas Gotahri was forward-thinking generally when it came to Mexican economics. Too bad he was a crook (or worse) otherwise.</p>
<p>Interestingly you cannot renounce your British citizenship either. Once a subject always a subject. They don’t have a draft though.</p>
<p>If you are a dual national Mexican/US and the Mexicans pick you up on their side of the border you don’t have a right to call the American consul or to have the American consulate informed.</p>
<p>I believe the Israeli’s will draft you too if you are a dual national and are living in Israel.</p>
<p>In Saudi Arabia it is a crime to renounce your citizenship. Of course it is also a crime to renounce Islam. In fact across a lot of the ever so progressive Land of Peace apostacy is a crime and frequently a capital crime. Oh those cute and adorable Muslims, got to love them.</p>
<p>Syria doesn’t recognize dual citizenship and has conscription as well. I think they give people who reside elsewhere a 3 month or so grace period in country before they draft them though.</p>
<p>Actually the US has an interesting twist. You can renounce your citizenship but not your tax liability (unless of course you are an illegal alien in which case paying taxes is purely optioal on your part). If you make over $100,000 a year or have net assets of over $500,000 dollars you are still going to owe US taxes for the next 10 years even if you renounce your US citizenship and flee to Cuba or whatever looks like liberal heaven to Michael Moore at the moment.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t worry too much about being drafted ito te Syrian Army. They don’t last much longer than the French once the fighting begins.</p>
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<p>Out of curiousity, how many US citizens are illegal aliens? I’m guessing none.</p>
<p>I’ve not visited this thread in a few days and I have to say…I am amazed we are still seeing the ‘illegals don’t pay taxes’ bit. After all the posts on ITINs, sales tax, property tax and the discussion of the large number of FIT-paying illegals who ARE here with proper greencard/visas but are illegal because they are here under an ‘assumed’ identity…</p>
<p>Some of these posters remind me of willful children with their eyes squeezed shut, fingers in their ears, singing ‘lalalala’ at the top of their lungs. It’s almost funny.</p>
<p>I still wonder why legals like me still have to pay OOS tuition for being instate.</p>
<p>You get the same ‘lalala’ effect about bilingual ed. Show that it would save money over the very common ESL pull-outs, that it costs about the same as English immersion, and works better–and they still insist it’s a luxury that won’t work in the “classroom.”</p>
<p>Makes you wonder where they think the studies were done. Mars? The bottoms of creek beds? The cupboard under the stairs?</p>
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People are saying it because it’s absolutely true even if it’s not universal. There are many that don’t pay any significant taxes including no state or fed income tax or SS tax due to the under the table cash wages they receive. The area I’m in is filled with illegals operating this way.</p>
<p>Somewhere between 66-75% of illegals file tax returns. So your area sounds like it’s quite different from the norm.</p>