<p>chuck wrote:
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<p>How do you know it was an “overwhelming majority of Muslims” who celebrated 9/11? You don’t. That’s your totally biased, obtuse perception of the Islamic world. Have you been trained to think critically? I thought your post was facetious at first, but I think you’re ****ing serious. </p>
<p>You scare me, sir.</p>
<p>Hey chuck,</p>
<p>Better to keep your mouth closed and have people assume you’re a bigot than open it and remove all doubt.</p>
<p>By the way, who do you think are the leaders of the religion?</p>
<p>Lets start with the Clerics that lead local or regional groups. I am sure I didnt use the correct terminology but it has been in the mainstream media that they wont denounce the radicals. If there has been more than just a few leaders denounce the actions please prove me wrong, I really do wish it was that way even if you prove me wrong.</p>
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<p>Actually, guys like chuck always make these assumptions. It’s how they’re raised and how they are educated (or not educated, most likely).</p>
<p>Chuck sees a few TV shots from a few of the most radical slums of the most radical and oppressed cities in the ME, then generalizes to all of Islam, including, oh, parts of India, all of Indonesia, and the like. He also takes performances for the cameras as being indicative of some sort of whole. I’ve been in a refugee camp in Lebanon when the cameras were turned on. Crew members hand out signs, the kids come running, and soon you have a chanting mob waving signs. </p>
<p>It makes for good television, and to Chuck, TV is reality, BABY!!!</p>
<p>“Violence is rampant in the world and Muslims are the cause in allot of the instances, if not most.”</p>
<p>“I do not label all Muslims as violent ,nor condemn them all, as in my first post on the issue.”</p>
<p>Despite your complete ignorance, I find it quite hilarious you wrote these two sentences in the same paragraph. </p>
<p>I’m going to try to be the bigger person, and not reply to anything at all, cause other people are doing it for me, and not all of them are Muslim.
Have fun at Bob Jones.</p>
<p>Well, it’s better that the wackos that currently go to BJU go there instead of YOUR school.</p>
<p>Bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance </p>
<p>Sort of the pot calling the kettle black in this thread huh? </p>
<p>I did not mean to include ALL muslims but to use a matter of speech as all around the world. I try hard not to use absolutes unless applicable. I made a mistake here. Fact is the did celebrate around the world. The day following 911 I saw a news report that showed Muslim reaction in many different countries. They were celebrating the attack on America and the deaths of Americans. How can you deny that? Locally I heard of an individual who walked in on a group of Muslims around a TV celebrating. Thats why I qualified that with the word SOME! </p>
<p>The facts are:
Radical Muslims attacked us.
More than a few moderate Muslims Rejoiced and celebrated the event.
Other Muslims, for the most part, have failed to denounce the actions.
Verses in the Quran advocate violence against non believers.
Violence continues today in Iraq and Afghanistan even as we try to bring democracy,freedom and peace to the region. </p>
<p>How can you not say it is at the core of their beliefs? Again I said earlier that the peaceful Muslims dont practice as strictly as the radicals do. </p>
<p>All i am hearing is a bunch of name calling and insults. If I am wrong please offer me your denouncement of the violence and the basis of it and some insight to help understand. I am sure there are different sects of Muslims as there is Christians. Just like most on here were labeling Bob Jones fundamentalist as nut jobs putting them in the same context of the Jim Jones and David Koresh’s </p>
<p>If you are so wise and open minded lets see some enlightening discussion instead of the insults and name calling.</p>
<p>"Violence continues today in Iraq and Afghanistan even as we try to bring democracy,freedom and peace to the region. " </p>
<p>Noone name called you, we just called you ignorant.
Please, dont try to justify what the US is doing in Iraq by saying they are trying to be freedom and democracy there, just as they are doing in Palestine right?
Innocent people are dying in Palestine and Iraq because you are “bringing freedom, deomcracy, and peace to the region”
Please get the facts straight before talking about something you obviously know nothing about. And Iraq, yes I know there a number of suicide bombings and extreme chaos in the streets but none of that was going before your “brought peace” in the region.
Open another news chanel besides CNN, they twist everything around and don’t show the real facts.</p>
<p>“More than a few moderate Muslims Rejoiced and celebrated the event.”</p>
<p>Hm, have you ever considered why they were rejoicing for seeing a (partial) downfall of the US? I’m not justifying it, but compare this to the time the US bombed Hiroshima. More than a few moderate Americans Rejoiced, even as 80,000 people died.</p>
<p>“Well, it’s better that the wackos that currently go to BJU go there instead of YOUR school.”</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>“Violence continues today in Iraq and Afghanistan even as we try to bring democracy,freedom and peace to the region”</p>
<p>Bombing for peace is like f*c king for virginity, buddy.</p>
<p>Once again Juggie. You misquoted me. I didnt say we were bringing it, big difference in what I said, trying to bring it. Learn how to read before you comment. Just like you missed the names, nutjob, wacko, bigot. </p>
<p>Who is perpetrating the chaos and the bombings? I suppose its the nutjob, wacko Christians who are doing it? Who is causing the chaos? Tell me. Please answer that instead of trying to twist everything I say into something I didnt. </p>
<p>Who is doing the killing of innocent people? Oh yea I am sure there are isolated incidents that are a result of US action but for the most part who is setting off bombs and causing chaos? </p>
<p>And according to Tarhunt these people are victims and being forced to show support for the radical violence so using that theory the majority wants us there to do what we are doing. </p>
<p>Do I have a denouncement yet? Why not? </p>
<p>I dont watch CNN btw.</p>
<p>Let me take a wild guess at what “news” channel you watch…</p>
<p>Fox “News”?</p>
<p>SO you are comparing Hiroshima to 911? I am at a loss for words because of the lack of understanding. Please go back to school and study why we bombed Hiroshima. It had a little to do with Japan declaring war on the US and a little place called Pearl Harbor.</p>
<p>You know, I’m usually polite and all …</p>
<p>… but please, just shut up.</p>
<p>If you want to debate this further, I suggest you find a different forum. This site is for college discussion, not debate on terrorism and the like.</p>
<p>I’ll ask others not to respond to chuckdvc; this has gone far enough.</p>
<p>Actually mostly its NBC, then I try to get a viewpoint from CBS and ABC and FOX. Occassionaly I will see what CNN is saying about an issue but they have a very liberal agenda. </p>
<p>I knew that one was coming.</p>
<p>It started as a lets slam and make fun of Bob Jones so I was trying to ad a little insight until I was attacked.</p>
<p>I am on the defensive not the offensive. Sound familiar?</p>
<p>Regardless of who is on the offensive or defensive, the little debate you guys are having is NOT related to what makes up Bob Jones University. The first 5 or 6 pages were atleast related to the topic. Go to the College Confidential Cafe if you’re going to debate about terrorism and religions.</p>
<p>Shut up, intelligent response! Guess you really couldnt say much else huh?</p>
<p>i feel sry for these students i mean the lights must b off by midnight??? I Dont go to bed til at least 1 sometimes 2 and thats early for most people i know and these people must know exactly where u are…all the time…and cell fone etiquette(***??) and prayer circles…when was the last time i prayed let me think i fake pray at church “WHEN I GO! IF I DO” does that count?</p>