<p>… as long as Notre Dame has Charlie Weis.</p>
<p>Wow I have never seen a dumber thread in my life. If there is one person in the United States of America or even the world who says that UCLA should be mentioned in the same sentence as Notre dame clearly can’t get into a community college. College undergrad #1 UCLA will always be under Berkely’s shadow, and Berkely doesn’t even compare to ND. #2 There is no way you went to a catholic school and have not heard of notre dame, it’s not possible, unless you went to a school for the blind and deaf, what have you been living under a rock? come on now. Have you heard of Harvard, Princeton, Yale any of these schools ringing a bell, because Notre Dame’s name is just as popular as these schools, it’s not quite in their rank however it’s close. #3 UCLA is good but no where near an ivy internationally, international students don’t tend to attend public universities, although there is nothing wrong with them. International students come to America mostly for the reason to take advantage of their private education, if they wanted a public, they would stay in their country. #4 Ever think that maybe the reason a catholic school in Shanghai is ranked low is because it’s catholic and Shanghai’s religion is pretty much anti-catholic. Overall that was a terrible post for you, I’m sorry, just regroup and get them next time. I just looked and your the OP huh? I mean it’s common knowlege ND is better if you werent willing to hear that you shouldnt of posted it.</p>
<p>Ballet girl, that list is rediculous, stop talking.</p>
<p>I’m sorry to be a jerk but come on guys, no one who wasnt hidden behind a computer screen would say in their right mind that UCLA is better than ND. Unless they want to go to a Community college, then by all means.</p>
<p>Come on guys, lets get real here, I know you can sound as rediculous as you want because it’s not your real identity that looks like an idiot when you say something like “UCLA is a better school than the University of Notre Dame” or “Ive never heard of Notre Dame” I mean come on, kid if someone who says something like that got into UCLA then its clearly not better lol. stuff like that makes the school look bad.</p>
<p>I think we’re forgetting the reason this site exists, so that we can help prospective students with their college choices, not make it seem like your school is the best school in the nation? What’s next ummm…arizona state is better than harvard? </p>
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<p>Sorry, but I told you what I know about. IMO, it’s you who’s in logical flaw, not anybody else.</p>
<p>Perhaps he’s just telling you what HE knows about, eh?</p>
<p>The average American’s knowledge of schools is vastly different than the view in your country (or for international students, I guess). Most will value the Notre Dame name over over that of the publics you listed. The knowledge of most of those state schools will depend on and vary with location within the U.S.</p>
<p>Does that mean ND is better than those schools? No. It’s just the way it is.</p>
<p>tall saint, I think psilocybin was responding to a post that argued that ND is more “internationally recognized” than UCLA or UCB. (It was on the first page, I believe.</p>
<p>I’m also an international student and agree that both UCLA and UCB are better known than UCB, at least in East Asia. UCB is particularly well-regarded as a tier 1 school. Not so many would’ve heard of ND is my guess.</p>
<p>And I don’t think ND by any means has a significant edge over UCB in terms of academics. On the undergraduate levels, they are similar. On the graduate level? UCB by far surpasses ND.</p>
<p>i too, attend a catholic high school, and went through 9 years at a catholic elementary/junior high school. however, when it came to applying to colleges, ND did not show up on my radar at all. i knew the school, of course, as several grads from my school attend ND, but i just never had an interest in it.</p>
<p>now, i kind of regret not applying, as two of my best friends are going there next year, but i don’t think i would pick ND over Rice, so the point is moot.</p>
<p>but the points mentioned before are valid. ND’s alumni network is crazily close. a large part of my hometown, especially the families that attend(ed) the schools i do are in love with ND, since many of them are alumni.</p>
<p>Who the hell cares about religion in schools? First of all, the two are separate permanently according to the first amendment. Second, you can believe in the great all knowing cosmic sponge under your bed, schools do not consider religion in the application process unless they are a religious based school like pepperdine etc…</p>
<p>My point is, UCLA is far better than Notre Dame because UCLA is located in a very large city. Which means that there are far far far far more job opportunities during tenure an after graduation.</p>
<p>My the hell would anyone even consider religion as a factor for choosing college? Religion is not going to educate you, it has not changed in thousands of years and it will not get you a job or a career. The only thing it will do is keep you segregated from the 80% of people who go to college and learn about how stupid religion is. Im not saying religious people are stupid, not at all infact some of the smartest people I know are religious…What I AM saying is that religion itself is a useless narrative on peoples lives. Its something to latch on to during an existential crisis like a death in the family, or fear of being forgotten after death…etc. Do not ever ever ever ever choose a school based on religion. You go to college to open your mind and experience a different culture, not stroke eachothers religious ego’s. Its like vacationing in England because there are mostly white skinned people to relate to…just irrelevant you know?</p>
<p>“Religion itself is a useless narrative on peoples lives?” Even as an agnostic living in one of the most liberal cities in the country, I find your statement completely ignorant. Religion, for many people, is not just for support during an existential crisis. It is incorporated into peoples’ lives, how they think, how they behave, and sometimes even what food they prefer. Again, I myself do not believe in a specific religion, but I know so many who do and practice their beliefs in every day life. So religion DOES matter, especially at schools like ND where such a large majority of the student body is Catholic.</p>
<p>And I find it hilarious that you mention “opening your mind and experiencing a different culture,” seeing as how you are so biased toward the religious and practice such bigotry. For some people, a place where there is such a strong association with a specific religion might be new and interesting.</p>
<p>^ pnb2002 beat me to it</p>
<p>Bigotry? Lets not throw out words that were practically invented in the catholic church shall we? </p>
<p>Second, I said nothing about religious people. I love all religious people and have friends from all types of secs. My beef was with the establishment of religion itself. Dont confuse the two. Bigotry involves ones belief that they are superior to another, im not saying I am superior to anyone or anything. Im saying religion is itself is instrinsically useless. Not to say that someone gets personal value out of religion, an nations probably control society better with it, but religion itself, as an establishment toward the advancement of education (in this case) is emperically unalterable, therefore un-adaptable and therefore, not tangibly usefull. </p>
<p>Please dont mis-understand me though. I love religious people, I just think that choosing a school based on your own religion that you have been raised with (by the way there is no such thing as a catholic child, you dont choose any religion until you can freely understand what you are choosing) is not going to help you understand the world better in any way. You should go to the school that will challenge your beliefs and understandings of the world thusfar. If you disagree with that, well you choose to separate yourself from anyone or anything different from you. Personally I dont care what the school is, if they can provide the best faculty, the most diverse body and the most challenging curriculum, I am all for it. Jesus or no jesus. By the way I think its imporant to know that I am not religious, but I do believe in a type of god figure…that itself should connect people, GOD…not which fairy tale you believe the most. Or who should go to hell.</p>
<p>God connects people not scripture. Love connects people, not prophets</p>
<p>Q: Why do people go to Notre Dame?</p>
<p>A: For many, it’s because they are Catholic.</p>
<p>vintij’s rants belong elsewhere.</p>
<p>"college undergrad, maybe if you can read you would see that soxfan didnt call UCLA a community college, he said anyone who said UCLA is better the ND is probably someone who can only go to a community college. Which i mean is true, this thread is rediculous UCLA is a tier 2 school, ND is a tier 1. There’s no comparrison between the 2 of them. UCLA is berkely’s safety, ND is safety to know one. I hate to bring it up but…ND is private, UCLA is public.</p>
<p>Masskid, maybe you should learn to read. Sox fan said, “I’m sorry to be a jerk but come on guys, no one who wasnt hidden behind a computer screen would say in their right mind that UCLA is better than ND. Unless they want to go to a Community college, then by all means.” You are ignorant when you say all public schools are inferior to private. Aren’t Oxford and Cambridge both public universities. So your saying Notre Dame is better than those two colleges. Seriously you guys who think Notre Dame 10 leagues ahead of UCLA need some evidence to support your claims…</p>
<p>Bringing Oxbridge into that argument isn’t the best idea seeing as that is an entirely different system, and there is only one private university in the UK.</p>
<p>perhaps they do but they were in the context of the original question. Which school should the poster go to. I stated that clearly, UCLA. The sole reason being better job opportunities.</p>
<p>Vintij, the ND network will probably offer better opportunities than UCLA. See? I can pull statements out of my rear end with no support too!</p>
<p>Having lived in Boston and Honolulu, and many places in between, I’ve seen firsthand that the different regions have different attitudes towards public/private and large/small schools.</p>
<p>In the Northeast, no state’s public schools can compare to its best private schools. Therefore, many people there tend to assume that the best schools EVERYWHERE are both private and medium-to-small.</p>
<p>In the Midwest, it’s often the opposite, with the big state schools being the first choice among even the tip-top students. I’d guess the vast majority of valedictorians in the midwest never even consider a private school or an out-of-state school…their state flagship is all they think they want or need…that’s what makes places like U of Iowa and U of Minnesota so much more interesting than Easterners could ever imagine…they have a lot more topfeeders than would ever be found at UMass or a SUNY.</p>
<p>Something one hears in Michigan: “I didn’t do very well in high school, so I had to go to a small school [as opposed to U of Michigan or Michigan State].”</p>
<p>It’s no surprise, then, that places like U of Chicago, NWestern, Notre Dame, Carlton, and Grinnell have so many folks from both coasts…they are looked on with suspicion by many Midwesterners, as overpriced educational boutiques. I was a grad student at Indiana U. for a while, and I expected to hear people mention Purdue and Notre Dame as in-state rivals. I heard plenty about Purdue, and zero about Notre Dame.</p>
<p>I know McGuffie SAID tht he was leacing UM for personal reasons but I don’t buy it.</p>
<p>Rice is far superior prestige-wise and academically than UM, and Rie won ten games this year while UM only won 3, which program would you rather be at?</p>
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<p>If you simply made the point that several Midwestern states have strong public universities, no problem but this goes too far. </p>
<p>For example, certainly Carleton is a top flight LAC. Yet 26 percent of its students come from Minnesota. Bottom line is that a lot of top flight students from Minnesota are trying to get into Carleton. This does not reflect on UMINN Twin Cities as it is a fine university to say the least. It just means this Midwest boutique suspicion stuff is without merit.</p>
<p>ctyankee, Carleton has fewer than 500 students per class. It is not hard to imagine how 125 students from Minnesota chose to enroll in it each year, especially when you factor in its location in one of the coldest and less “popular” destination for out of state students in the country. Carleton must compete with the little three AND schools in more “ideal” locales, such as the Claremont McKenna, Davidson, Haverford, Pomona and Wesleyan for out of state students.</p>
<p>theendusputrid, your post shows very little insight on universities (academically or reputationally) and their football programs. I am not surprised though, having read your posts on the UVa forum. You seem fixated on Rice’s smaller classes and residential system. Keep in my mind that those two factors make Rice a great fit for some, but it does not make it “far superior” academically and reputationally. Michigan and UVa are considered as good and as prestigious as Rice. Those are three of the nation’s top universities. </p>
<p>As for McGuffie’s decision, you can be certain it had more to do with being homesick and playing time than with academic excellence and prestige. And it is not that difficult to win 10 games playing Rice’s schedule, particularly not when your coach and team are established. That is not tosay that Rice was not a better team than Michigan in 2008, but that should not be the case in 2009.</p>
<p>McGuffie left Michigan because as a little guy he got too many concussions being smacked around by Big Ten linemen and linebackers. It became a serious health issue. It was in his own medical self-interest to quit and go to a college where he wouldn’t take that kind of physical punishment on the playing field, a college that had serious athletic competition but athletes more on McGuffie’s own scale—Conference USA-level competition.</p>