<p>…anyone ever see that movie Rudy?</p>
<p>haha</p>
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Right you are… Wouldn’t you want to play for a team that’s 3-9, 7-6, 1-10 and 3-8 in the previous four years … playing against opponents not much better than your high school team?</p>
<p>Btw, if McGuffie wanted to transfer because of higher prestige or better academics, he would have transferred to Stanford. Their ex-Wolverines coach would have welcomed him with open arms.</p>
<p>Random thoughts:</p>
<p>Didn’t McGuffie look like a high school kid out on the field last year? So skinny and frail looking. He might even get roughed up playing for Rice. Does anybody know if he checked out the Ivy League? He would look about right running up the middle against the fearsome foursomes of Columbia and Brown.</p>
<p>Just to beat the public/private dead horse a little more: is there anybody here from the states of Florida or North Carolina? Is it not true that even in those states, with interesting privates like Duke, Wake Forest, Davidson, and the U of Miami, the publics are far more prominent in the minds of the people regarding colleges to go to and sports teams to root for?</p>
<p>I saw a documentary on the UNC-Duke basketball rivalry, and they made it sound like Duke had a tiny fan base in NC compared to UNC, and even NC State. Wake seemed to be on almost nobody’s radar in the state of NC. I’ve also heard similar things about the [lack of] prominence of U of Miami in Florida, Rice in Texas, etc., but it would be good to get some feedback from people who actually live in those states.</p>
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<p>A prior poster claimed that Midwest folks have a bias against “boutique” colleges and “tip-top” students prefer state universities. He claimed this is why schools (and he specifically mentions Carleton) have to draw from both coasts. </p>
<p>Now you come along and say it’s no wonder Carleton draws in-state students because it is a less popular and cold location with competition issues from in-state and top schools oos. Talk about taking a positive and turning it into a negative. What could be more positive than people knowledgeable about your program still wanting to go there? Meanwhile, Carleton draws 15 percent of its students from California. They must be doing something right to get top warm weather students to go to Carleton. Right?</p>
<p>So, if you have or can find stats that show that Carleton’s Minnesota-based applicants have lower scores and G.P.A. than the school’s average, please bring them forward. As 89 percent of Carleton’s students are in the top 10 percent of their class, I doubt that will be forthcoming. </p>
<p>Others, </p>
<p>Sorry for continuing the O.T. conversation</p>
<p>Two words.</p>
<p>James Casey. Rice produced a guy who can play every position, including d end, as well as deep snap and punt. With a 3.84 gpa in a triple major at Rice. You don’t see the UM football program training, producing, churning out guys like that.</p>
<p>I make my case.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, and you do ralize that Clement, Dillard, and Casey have caused Rice football to turn over a new leaf; their program is changed forever and has new standards and will be increasingly dominant for a long, long time. </p>
<p>Rice has shown that you can have very very high academic standards for football players and still win BIG. Like 95 percent of the Rice football roster was academic all-district or academic all-state or something like that. Why would McGuffie want to go to UM, which is ranked lower in every single college ranking?</p>
<p>A point I’m making is that ND does trump UM and UCLA in prestige because it is more selective and private.</p>
<p>No, we just churn out presidents from our football program.</p>
<p>What football program? UCONN had more first and second rounders in the NFL draft than Notre Dame. Now, that’s sad.</p>
<p>ctyankee, I meant to say that Carleton is small. As such, it is hard to come to any conclusion. Trust me, I respect Carleton a good deal. It is a top academic institution as far as I am concerned, up there with the likes of Bowdoin, Middlebury and Pomona.</p>
<p>This said, I agree that Public universities are more respected in their respective locales outside of the Northeast. In every part of the country, you would be able to count 4 or 5 public universities among the top 10 universities in their region. That is not the case in the Northeast.</p>
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<p>And a point I agreed with. But when the poster went into into small Midwest LACs looked at with suspicion in the Midwest, it just went too far.</p>
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One season’s success hardly makes it “for ever”. Didn’t your heroes also played in the 3-9, 7-6, and 1-10 seasons? I’m glad you can get so excited about a couple 5th round draft picks.</p>
<p>What NFL team is your star quarterback, Chase Clement, gonna play with next year?</p>
<p>Did James Casey ever graduate from Rice?</p>
<p>p.s. I’d suggest you stick to discussions on college and academics, and not on football. Sam McGuffie is a good kid; don’t make him look bad.</p>
<p>Casey never graduated from Rice. He left after his Sophomore year. </p>
<p>As for academics, I am not sure how theendusputrid came to the conclusion that #17/1000+ universities is “far superior academically and prestige-wise” than #26/1000+ universities. That sort of difference is fractional and insignificant. In two of the most important criteria used by the USNWR (Peer Assessment and Selectivity), Michigan is at least as good as Rice. And that’s just one ranking. According to Fiske, Michigan and Rice both receive an academic rating of *****. Very few people in the academic or corporate world would differentiate between those two universities.</p>
<p>CtYankee, have you ever lived in the South or Midwest?</p>
<p>Are you aware of just how relatively few people in those areas (outside of, say, the pockets of rich in places like Chicago and Dallas, and pockets of intellectuals like in Ann Arbor) see college as an opportunity to gain social or intellectual prestige by spending more money on an expensive private college?</p>
<p>I said people in these areas tend to look at expensive privates with suspicion. I was wrong. Usually they don’t look at expensive privates AT ALL.</p>
<p>The agonizing over which is a better option, a $50,000 per year private ranked #13 by US News or a $20,000 per year public ranked #19 is something that is very common on CollegeConfidential. Elsewhere in the US it wouldn’t take most people 5 seconds to make such a choice.</p>
<p>“One season’s success hardly makes it “for ever”. Didn’t your heroes also played in the 3-9, 7-6, and 1-10 seasons? I’m glad you can get so excited about a couple 5th round draft picks.”</p>
<p>Casey was projected by EVERY SINGLE NFL draft expert to go in the second, maybe third, round, and Dillard in the third round. It was a shocking coindidence that Casey was picked so late especially. Everyone in the Texans organization and in the NFL regards his pick as a HUGE steal.</p>
<p>[James</a> Casey, Rice, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com](<a href=“http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/archive/1245173]James”>http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/archive/1245173)</p>
<p>evidence: Casey, who won’t participate in the drills, is expected to be the highest draft choice among the players. Scouts say he’ll go in the second round. Dillard is expected to be taken in the third or fourth round. - John McClain, Houston Chronicle </p>
<p>How dare you put down James Casey he is a god.</p>
<p>“What NFL team is your star quarterback, Chase Clement, gonna play with next year?”</p>
<p>He is going to try out with NFL teams and has a shot at making an NFL roster.</p>
<p>evidence: [Rice</a> Owls Examiner: Clement will get opportunity to ‘Chase’ his NFL Dream](<a href=“Examiner is back - Examiner.com”>Examiner is back - Examiner.com)</p>
<p>“Did James Casey ever graduate from Rice?”</p>
<p>HA. James is probably smarter than you’ll ever be.</p>
<p>[RICE</a> OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE - Football](<a href=“http://riceowls.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/casey_james00.html]RICE”>http://riceowls.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/casey_james00.html)</p>
<p>James “Carries a 3.84 GPA with a triple major in Economics, Managerial Studies and Sport Management and has averaged 18 hours a semester since he enrolled at Rice in January, 2007.” All this after not cracking open a book for 4 years while playing minor league baseball.</p>
<p>Here’s a quote by him. </p>
<p>[NFL</a> Players Association](<a href=“http://www.nflplayers.com/USER/content.aspx?fmid=178&lmid=443&pid=2901]NFL”>http://www.nflplayers.com/USER/content.aspx?fmid=178&lmid=443&pid=2901)</p>
<p>“I just finished my sophomore year in football, but I’m a senior academically. I only have 29 hours left to graduate, so I’m going to come back as soon as possible to finish that up.
I just finished my sophomore year in football, but I’m a senior academically.”</p>
<p>James is a man of his word.</p>
<p>“The agonizing over which is a better option, a $50,000 per year private ranked #13 by US News or a $20,000 per year public ranked #19 is something that is very common on CollegeConfidential.”</p>
<p>“Elsewhere in the US it wouldn’t take most people 5 seconds to make such a choice.”</p>
<p>This is a problem. People are missing out on an undergrad degree that can really really help them in life job-wise. Of course, the extra thousands of dollars spent may make it tough for a whiele, but 99 percent of the time the investment really pays off.</p>
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Well, sometimes there can be a big gap between expectation and reality.</p>
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May be it was shocking to Mr Casey… it surely wasn’t so to the NFL teams who bypassed him 151 times. Even the Texans took another TE ahead of Casey…</p>
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Come back and tell us when Mr Clement has made the team, any team. The fact remains, so far there isn’t any team interested enough to sign him to a free agent contract. Btw, how many Rice Owls were drafted or signed to a NFL contract from last year’s team which you consider to be so good?</p>
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I never said he wasn’t smart … just questioned whether he ever graduated. The answer is, he hasn’t.</p>
<p>UCLA and ND are both very good schools and comparable on the undergrad level in terms of academic quality, quality of student body and selectivity. </p>
<p>On the grad level, UCLA easily trumps ND though. UCLA has better medical and engineering schools, which probably makes it more recognizable internationally than ND due to interest in these fields from international students. ND might have more recognition due to the strong alumni network and the large Catholic population in the US. </p>
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<p>On another note, is theendusputrid some kind of whackjob? He’s comparing Rice football to Michigan football? ***? Who the hell is James Casey? Whoever he is, theendusprutrid sure seems to think that Casey will have a long distinguished career like Michigan football alums Gerald Ford, Tom Brady , Charles Woodson (Heisman), Desmond Howard (Heisman), Jake Long (#1 overall pick 2008), Dhani Jones, Jim Harbaugh (retired NFL, Stanford football coach), Steve Hutchinson, and the 30+ other Michigan players currently in the NFL, many of whom have been pro-bowlers and super bowl champions.</p>
<p>Michigan missed its first bowl in 38 years and now Rice is better than it forever? What a joke.</p>
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<p>I don’t think you understand… BYU is nothing like ND. They hardly have the level of tradition, and their campus is pretty ugly compared to ND. They don’t have the reputation or the prestige of ND.</p>
<p>I got accepted to SMU but decided to go elsewhere… I’ve heard from so many people that SMU is nowhere near as prestigious as it used to be. They’ve expanded their student body to over 10,000 and fallen a little in academic prestige.</p>
<p>Baylor and University of Dallas are equally hilarious. Baylor is easily the most nauseating school in the world and it is not prestigious. It might be the elite Baptist college, but look at its surroundings in the middle of a small slum town… Waco, TX. The people that go there are nauseating. Girls just go there to get married. U of D doesn’t even seem like a university. There are only like 2,000 students that go there. In fact it’s not even in Dallas, but instead, Irving. The ghetto part of Irving.</p>
<p>I don’t know about a few of those other schools either. I can see Pepperdine, Gonzaga, BC, and GW. But none of the rest of those.</p>
<p>Princeton Review suggests the following as “similar schools” : Boston U, Boston College, Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, Georgetown, Harvard, Northwestern, Princeton, Stanford… and the U of… NC, Chicago, Michigan, Penn, VA… Vanderbilt, WUSTL, and Yale. In other words…America’s elite colleges.</p>
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<p>I dont know what’s more unrealistic saying UCLA is near ND as far as prestige, or saying Rice is any where near michigan. Isnt Rice D1-A? Apparently since Rice had 1 good year and Michigan had 1 bad year out of both their schools history, that automatically makes Rice better? This is rediculous, I guarantee Rice wouldnt win a game if they actually played a difficult schedual, never mind Michigans schedual. To be honest, this is the first time I heard Rice even had a football team. Who’s this Casey guy? An undrafted quarterback, O wow I bet he’s amazing. Give me a break theendusputrid</p>
<p>Rice is legendary at baseball, not football.</p>
<p>James Casey is a beast.</p>