what is NY state's "Driver Responsibility Assessment" ?

<p>Dear Parents / Students:</p>

<p>I was passing thru upstate NY on big empty stretch of highway and got careless about my speed and got ticketed. The ticket was written 21 miles over the speed limit. I mailed in the no-contest with fine last year, but recently received a “Driver Responsibility Assessment” of $100 for 3 years
for a single ticket.</p>

<p>Speaking of highway robbery. It was just that. Done by people with a badge. Having paid the ticket wasn’t enough, now I have to pay three more hundreds of dollars?</p>

<p>It says I no longer can apply for for NY license ( i have no intention to ) but doesnt say I couldn’t drive in NY.</p>

<p>If anything I have even less reason to travel to NY. This actually should back fires on that state.</p>

<p>Do I have to pay it ? Anyone have experience with this please comment, especially if you are licensed in other state and were just a visitor when you received your ticket.</p>

<p>Thank you in advance.</p>

<p>Failure to pay any fine can result in having a bench warrant issued and you don’t want that on your record. Also most states share info these days and if you get stopped in another state you might get some unexpected trouble. They just don’t try as fast back east as they do in Cali and they take 20+ over seriously.</p>

<p>That’s a big “ouch” Calif-dad, and this is going to make it worse, I’m afraid. I did a quick search on the NY point system and 21 - 30 mph gives you 6 points. The ouch part is that if you get 6 points the Driver Responsibility Assessment kicks in. Here’s a link to the assessment information: <a href=“http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/drp.htm[/url]”>http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/drp.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>This is a big eye opener for me! Funny how you were ticketed for “21” mph over the speed limit…just enough to make sure that you would be charged the full $300 assessment. Call me cynical but…</p>

<p>Wow - running a red light, leaving the scene of an accident, driving in the wrong direction, and reckless driving are all LESS than 6 points but 21mph over the limit is 6 points with the extra $300 added to the fine.</p>

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Yes - I think they saw you were out of state and wrote the ticket so you’d be nailed for the extra $300 because they knew you wouldn’t be able to fight it. Or, it was just coincidence (not).</p>

<p>I think you got screwed because you’re out of state.</p>

<p>I suspect that if you were an in-state driver, they would have ticketed you for just less than 21 miles over so you wouldn’t have to pay the extra fine or get such a staggering number of points.</p>

<p>I got a speeding ticket in my home state of Maryland recently, and I was going 16 mph over the limit. The cop only ticketed me for 9 miles over because 10 and above is a higher fine and an extra point. But if I had been driving a car with out-of-state plates, who knows what he would have hit me with?</p>

<p>I think you have to pay it, though. The different state computers talk to each other nowadays. If you don’t pay it, they’ll find out, and by then they will have added some other charge and fine onto the original assessment.</p>

<p>Is NY only state that does this ?</p>

<p>It is highway (literal) robbery. $187 ticket then on top you have to paid $300 ! One hundred dollar a year for three years ! What other states have this so I will not conduct business there?</p>

<p>If you think the 10% motel tax is not outrageous, now this. </p>

<p>I like to hear from you if you had a DRA and out-of-state. Did you paid that outrageous ransom?</p>

<p>Oh yeesh. A few weeks ago, many parents huffed and puffed at some poor college student because he didn’t see why he had to pay a $25. parking ticket earned during his SAT. </p>

<p>If you went 21 miles over on an empty stretch of highway, and most of ours are 65 mph, that means you were driving somewhere around 86 mph. Last time I looked, that was almost 90. </p>

<p>Just thank the powers-that-be that you weren’t killed, and didn’t kill anybody, and pay it. Everyone told the dumb kid to pay it, and he didn’t threaten anybody’s life. </p>

<p>This is a populous state, and even in rural areas I don’t find highways “empty” for more than a few moments. And I drive in the wee hours, early dawn, etc.
There’s also hardly a straight stretch of road in the state. </p>

<p>I’m sorry you got ticketed, because I know that sometimes people push it at near 80 around here…but 86 is treacherous. Sorry, but that’s how I see it.</p>

<p>If you don’t like to pay it, just drive around us next time. Use Pennsylvania or Ontario. Good luck.</p>

<p>Even Wikipedia has an article on this -
<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_Responsibility_Assessment[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_Responsibility_Assessment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I find the trailing annual payments an odd legislative approach, but somewhat balanced by the relatively light original fine. In California (and many other states) you would have been assessed over $300 for 21 miles over the limit and, of course, in California you typically have to pay the fine and contest it afterward. You should be aware, as well, that your NY ticket will rack up points against your California license and may drive up your auto insurance costs.</p>

<p>It’s too bad you didn’t contest the ticket last year - even if long distance, this can be handled by calling the court. Most courts in upstate NY will reduce the original charged mph, if you agree to take a driver’s safety course through AAA or something similar. Obviously too late now … but just an FYI for others.</p>

<p>We used to live in NJ and I believe they have (or at least had) a similar surcharge system based upon accumulated points aginst your license. I’m not sure if it applied to out of state drivers.</p>

<p>Reading through this, I wondered when someone would state the obvious, and thank you, paying3tuitions. Maybe the OP was going more than 21 mph over the limit - that’s VERY fast driving in unfamiliar territory. If you don’t know the speed limit on a stretch of road because you’re a stranger, doesn’t it make sense to exercise caution? </p>

<p>Be glad you weren’t speeding in whatever Scandinavian country assesses a percentage of the driver’s income as a fine - making the rich pay more, the poor less.</p>

<p>Well…in California, you would pay the ticket, and likely go to traffic school 9to keep it off your record, and keep the insurance company monster away). The ticket would be close to $200 and traffic school another $195 plus 8 hours out of your life. So hey, an additional $105 for what could have been disasterous is a small price to pay.</p>

<p>It does make you wonder though if the cop rounded ‘down’ to 21 over or rounded ‘up’ to the key figure of 21 over. Maybe the op knows.</p>

<p>A VERY LONG 8 hours at that.</p>

<p>From the DMV link posted earlier…

Sounds like there’s no getting out of the assessment by taking the dreaded driving course.</p>

<p>The question I have is when did the assessment kick in? Is it retroactive? Is it even part of the criminal offense or just – as it says – an assessment?</p>

<p>I would suspect that this issue has been litigated, but I can’t figure out how you can make a payment and plead guilty to a certain offense based on the laws then in effect and then have the government change the law and retroactively fine you for a matter that you discharged on the basis of the original law. Imagine pleading guilty to a 30 day offense for shoplifting and then finding out that there’s a new law and you have to report back to prison for 2 years even though you completed serving your sentence a year earlier. That’s why I doubt that this assessment is a criminal penalty.</p>

<p>You say this assessment came about a year after your ticket. Was it enacted a year later or is that just when the payments begin that you had overlooked when you decided to plead guilty and pay the fine?</p>

<p>If it was enacted later, and you can show that you pleaded guilty because of the nuisance factor of defending the original ticket for the then-applicable fine, you could have a case. (Or perhaps not, but let’s assume you have a colorable case.) The question then becomes: Had you known that you’d also have to pay $300 spread out over three years, would you have contested the ticket? And, if so, would you have won…he who conceded to us that he was, in fact, speeding as ticketed?)</p>

<p>Your complaint, then, is that you weren’t aware of the full extent of the penalty and you’re surprised – not that you are getting a harsher punishment than you would have agreed to pay (or been ordered to pay if you had contested the case).</p>

<p>Still, if the law is retroactive, I wonder if it’s part of the motor vehicle record or basically a tax – or “assessment” – as opposed to a fine for which you would get flagged if you were stopped again. </p>

<p>Don’t take my advice – which, paradoxically, is the only advice from me that you should take – but it’s possible that a retroactive assessment is valid only if it’s not a DMV fine. You paid your DMV fine as required. Your criminal debt to society was paid. This thing could be another creature, like a tax, in order to avoid “double jeopardy” (again, I’m getting waaaay out of my league here, so caveat lurker).</p>

<p>As for me, I don’t pay for those “I Support My State Trooper” organization emblems – largely because only pennies on the dollar get to the troopers. Instead, I give blood regularly and credit law enforcement. And for that I’ve got a nice bumper sticker that says I’m a 10-gallon donor for law enforcement. I’m not exactly light on the gas – though I’m not reckless and haven’t been in an accident – and haven’t gotten a ticket. Though avoiding tickets is a nice perk, it’s not why I’m a donor – in fact I first donated blood long ago as a self-imposed penance after a trooper couldn’t make the court date (meaning I got off of a sure ticket) because his colleague was shot down the day before and I read that the trooper who was killed had donated blood hours before he was shot 7 times during a “routine” traffic stop. I was guilty of speeding and I felt even more guilty so I felt like I should do something and that’s what I decided was most appropriate – particularly since I hate needles and the sight of my blood. (Still do.)</p>

<p>Now, I’ve been stopped and warned plenty of times. I’ve even had a sheriff pull alongside me at more than 10 mph over the limit and wave at me to ease up on the gas. Even out-of-state my wife, driving my car, has had a trooper flash his headlights at her from behind to remind her to slow down. So I’m pretty sure that, were it not for that bumper sticker, my bank account would have suffered. And, hey, if it gets you to donate blood, go ahead, feel free to use this “tip”…especially if you plan to drive on the New York Thruway ever again.</p>

<p>Caveat lurker.</p>

<p>Calif_dad I sympathize with you having to pay a hefty fine. But to be fair, you list San Francisco as your location and SF is notorious for their revenue raising ticketing practices.</p>

<p>I drove my husband’s car into the city, and I was ticketed $95 for not having a liscense plate on my front bumper. I paid it, but my husband still refuses to drill holes in the front bumper.</p>

<p>Another time in SF we entered a carpool lane to get onto the Bay Bridge believing that two passengers designated us as a carpool as is the convention on all the other Bay Area bridges and HOV lanes. Yet apparently SF deems a carpool to be three passengers, and we were ticketed for $300 before we even came to a sign indicating the three passenger rule. Again, we paid it. We still love SF.</p>