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<p>Ummm, doesn’t UH have three campuses (Manoa (flagship), West O`ahu, and Hilo)?</p>
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<p>Also, a school that may be a safety for admissions may be reclassified as a reach if it is necessary to get a reach-level merit scholarship in order to afford attending it.</p>
<p>UF is $19,103 for in-state, including room & board, books, and “other” cost. Most freshman students at UF would qualify for the highest level of Bright Future Scholarships, or about $100 a credit hour or a bit more than $3K a year.</p>
<p>The other 11 (12 now) state Universities COA (for in-state) are about the same as UF’s. UF offers the best need based aid (of the 12 state Universities) but the worse merit based aid. </p>
<p>Just received my “On Wisconsin” alumni magazine in the mail. Long article about the cost of college. Tuition through the decades table for an academic year- instate 1940-41 $65, 1970-71 $508, 2010 $8,987 (and that does not cover the actual costs of providing the education, nor is the cost of attendance included).</p>
<p>A listing of tuition and fees ($10,410) plus other costs total $24,466 for the current 2014-15 academic year. Nonresident tuition and fees (much more than the costs to educate- OOS students subsidize instate) is $26,660, total COA is $41,366. This includes books and supplies, room and board (on/off campus), miscellaneous and travel allowances.</p>
<p>Another table has tuition and fees for 2013-2014 for then current Big Ten schools. Resident/Nonresident. Listed in order of decreasing instate tuition. Note how the OOS tuition does not correlate with instate at all- seems to be what the market will bear for Michigan and others could get more than they are…</p>
<p>Penn State- $16,992 / $29,566
U of Illinois- $15,258 / $29,640
U of Minnesota- $13,555 / $19,805
U of Michigan- $13,142 / $40,392
Michigan State- $12,863 / $33,750
U of Wisconsin- $10,403 / $26,653
Indiana U- $10,209 / $32,350
Ohio State- $10,037 / $25,757
Purdue- $9,992 / $28,794
U of Iowa- $8,061 / $26,931
U of Nebraska- $7,975 / $21,302</p>
<p>Reciprocity costs such as exist for Minnesota and Wisconsin residents are not in this list.</p>
<p>These schools are all in the middle of the country (Penn State?), why costs should be double in one state for its residents than another??? And OOS- the popularity of Michigan allows it to have much higher costs than the actual quality relative to some of the others.</p>
<p>ps- any spacing I tried for ease of viewing got nixed when posted.</p>
<p>@Gertudemcfuzz Here’s the rub, depending upon your kids stats and your income, you will qualify CalGrants up to $10k per year. But (big fuzzy but) you need to to figure 5.25 years not four. Even with the cal grant, UCs were too expensive for us. </p>
<p>@wis75, in terms of variance in the in-state tuition of B10 schools, I think a lot of it comes down to how much of a school’s budget the state legislature funds and how much control a state has over the school. </p>
<p>For instance, the percentage of PSU’s budget that is funded by PA is something pitifully small now (something like 2%, I believe).
Also, PSU is essentially a private school these days. It’s relationship with PA is akin to the relationship that Cornell’s contract colleges have with NYS. PA gives PSU some money, so PSU provides PA residents with an in-state discount, but PSU pretty much decides what is best for PSU. Only 10 of its 32 Trustees come from or are appointed by the PA government (though 6 are elected by PA agricultural societies, and 6 are elected by business interests). On the other hand, UMich’s Board of Regents are directly elected by MI voters. As are Nebraska’s.</p>
<p>Also, even among Midwestern locales, there are costs differences. For instance, Madison and the Twin Cities are 20% more expensive to live in than Lincoln.</p>
<p>Another comment on UIUC. Of the seven schools my engineer daughter applied to, UIUC was the only one which did not offer her merit aid. Her list included UIUC, out of state public universities, and private tech universities. In fact it ended up being her most expensive option. Yes it is a top engineering school, but so were a few others to which she applied.</p>
<p>@marlene I can copy your post word by word. My D had exactly the same experience.</p>
<p>@EllieMom, even at the most expensive tier, unless they’re getting merit or other aid from the OOS school (and granted, Mizzou at least has merit money that is pretty easy to get), Iowa and Mizzou OOS still costs more than UIUC in-state.</p>
<p>I can see someone interested in writing choosing Iowa or someone interested in journalism choosing Mizzou, but an in-state IL kid interested in engineering or CS choosing Iowa or Mizzou would be quite foolish, IMO, if UIUC is affordable.</p>
<p>With UIUC, the tuition is part of the problem for good-stats kids in Illinois. But there are others as well—paltry merit aid and an honors program that doesn’t seem particularly strong. For the kids I know, Iowa and Mizzou have been extremely generous with merit aid for OOS students. Their honors college programs (IU’s, as well) are also much more extensive than UIUC’s.</p>
<p>For engineering or CS, UIUC’s reputation might be enough to make up for that. But for many prospective students, especially for bright kids who are interested in a LSA or are undecided re. major, it’s a hard sell financially. (And I’m a proud alum, so this was very disappointing to me when it came time for my daughter to start considering where she wanted to apply.)</p>
<p>Purdue merit aid brought cost of attendance to 10K less per year than UIUC and I would consider Purdue to provide an undergraduate engineering education equivalent to UIUC.</p>
<p>D is considering both for grad school. Will be interesting to see offers (provided she is accepted, of course.)</p>
<p>@marlene, agree on engineering though not for CS.</p>
<p>@momneeds2no I understand your feelings about how long it takes to complete school but the data show the UCs are better than most flagships at getting students through in four years.
UCLA UCB UIUC Penn St Umich UCI Indiana Uminn Ohio St
4 Yr Grad Rate 72.7 72.2 68.4 64.6 75.8 67.6 58.3 54.5 58.5</p>
<p>Sorry about the formatting. I never remember how to keep the spacing in a table format.</p>
<p>Texas Tech resident tution/fees 7984. My child will be attending TTU and living at home. This allows her to graduate with a hopefully CS degree w/o any student debt. I can’t see sending her to A&M or another school with increased cost. I will only be able to pay approx 14-15 thousand a year. </p>
<p>@marlene what is your state of residence for tuition purposes? Are your stating that Purdue OOS was 10K less than UIUC in-state? What year was this comparison?</p>
<p>@IlliniDad18 : with a merit scholarship.</p>
<p>I can see it. PU does give out merit money to OOS.</p>
<p>2014‐15 Academic Year Tuition and Required Fees at Public Big Ten Universities</p>
<p><a href=“https://apir.wisc.edu/tuitionandfees/2014_Big10_Tuition_Comparison.pdf”>https://apir.wisc.edu/tuitionandfees/2014_Big10_Tuition_Comparison.pdf</a></p>
<p>Penn State - $17,502/ $30,452
Illinois - $15,602/ $30,228
Rutgers - $13,813 /$28,591
Minnesota - $13,560/ $20,810
Michigan - $13,486/ $41,906
Mich State - $13,200/ $34,965
Wisconsin - $10,410/ $26,660
Indiana - $10,388/ $33,241
Ohio State - $10,037/ $26,537
Purdue - $10,002/ $28,804
Maryland - $ 9,428/ $29,721
Iowa - $ 8,079/ $27,409
Nebraska - $ 8,070/ $21,990</p>
<p>@illinidad18: In my daughter’s case, and this was three years ago, it was 10K less to attend Purdue as an out of state student than to attend UIUC as an in-state student. Granted we are talking about a female engineering student with quite good grades and test scores.</p>
<p>As an Illinois resident, though, I find this sad.</p>
<p>IlliniDad, that data is simply not true. The average tuition at Michigan instate is probably around 8K/semester. That’s probably only lower division (which is probably only 25% of the undergrads) and LSA (which is only about 65% of the school). Every other school is more expensive, and most even in the cheapest school are paying much more than that. </p>
<p>@marlene: Different schools have different philosophies on how much merit aid they offer. If your daughter was a National Merit Scholar, she could attend Arizona, Oklahoma, or Alabama tuition-free. Do you find that sad as well?</p>
<p>Personally, I don’t see what’s so sad about that.</p>