<p>I know Berkeley is GENERALLY liberal, which would mean they would more likely support affirmitive action. Yet, in the recent years, affirmitive action has been less of a liberal thing, and more people are opposing it (except blacks). On the east coast, I can confidently say most asians are against affirmitive action since it goes against them (most good colleges have more than enough asians). Since Berkeley has a high Asian population, though liberal, what is their view on affirmitive action? (Generalization of course)</p>
<p>Actually, I find Berkeley these days to be much more moderate than liberal (and overall, definitely more politically apathetic than in the past). The far left liberals on campus are very vocal, but I don’t think they make up a majority of students on campus. Most are moderate, if politically aware at all. </p>
<p>I am personally against Affirmative Action. But the UC system is banned from using quotas (as ruled by the SCOTUS in University of California vs Bakke- 1978). But it can use race as an admissions factor. Even then though, race doesn’t play a huge role in admissions, and most people are accepted to Berkeley on their own merit, regardless of race. So most people at Berkeley, unless they were rejected by another institution that uses race as a more significant admissions factor, are mostly indifferent to it. And to those who are against it, they tend to be Indians, East Asians, and Caucasians for the reasons you mentioned.</p>
<p>Asian Americans probably have the most cynical views on affirmative action, since the stated purpose is to counteract past and present racial discrimination. Asian Americans are more likely to be victims than perpetrators of such racial discrimination, but it is widely believed that highly selective universities practice affirmative action for European Americans over Asian Americans.</p>
<p>However, UC is nominally prohibited by Proposition 209 from considering race or ethnicity in admissions.</p>
<p>Yeah most Indians/Asians are anti-affirmative action. And there are a lot of Asians/Indians in Berkeley so that is probably the general view.</p>
<p>I think there’s a good amount of minority students at Cal without affirmative action. The only real difference between the Berkeley population and schools that do affirmative action is the white v. asian/indian proportions.</p>
<p>I’m pretty staunchly against racially-oriented affirmative action. The issues preventing certain minority groups from increasing their mean quality of life/mean income are dominantly functions of racial culture and the way the system treats these groups at lower levels.</p>
<p>I’m somewhat more sympathetic to a bias on the basis of income brackets.</p>
<p>And I’m going to retiterate this from the Asian racial mix thread. Go find it, looks like you have one follower at least.</p>
<p>We all know that Indians are also Asians. But Indians are their own racial group and it makes a lot more sense to separate them from other Asians when talking about things like the racial mix at Berkeley. There are much more obvious differences between Indians/Oriental Asians than between, say Chinese/Koreans. Lumping Indians/Asians together is like losing a lot of data, especially when the numbers are so high at Berkeley. If you’d prefer to use ‘Oriental’ go ahead but don’t expect anyone else to start.</p>
<p>Leftist, I completely agree with you.</p>
<p>But none of the guys on this thread do:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/1148153-berkeley-engineering-racial-mix.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/1148153-berkeley-engineering-racial-mix.html</a></p>
<p>It seems that most people know that Indians are Asian, but feel as is putting them into separate categories is more convenient. I couldn’t convince them that Indians are Asian. Maybe you can,</p>
<p>“It seems that most people know that Indians are Asian”
“I couldn’t convince them that Indians are Asian”</p>
<p>Do you see the contradiction there yet?
Give up on cause guys, please. Do you go around correcting people about this in real life? I imagine that would get really tiring lol.</p>
<p>A majority of people ignorantly in colloquial speech try use (Asian = East Asian in the US), how ever a solid minority that grows by the day uses Asian = E/S/SE Asian. Following an ignorant and wrong definition of Asian just because it is the majority position when there is a fairly reasonable minority is completely ignorant.*</p>
<p>For these purposes, ignorance is irrelevant. The purpose of language is to facilitate communication; if no miscommunication has occurred (which for these purposes it hasn’t), the function has been fulfilled and any third-party objections with regard to phrasing are, as I commented in the other thread, entirely self-serving and pedantic.</p>
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<p>this is false</p>
<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_209_(1996[/url])”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_209_(1996)</a></p>
<p>i used to oppose affirmative action, but John Rawls argued fairly persuasively that affirmative action is justified if used to correct the historical wrongs of formerly unjust systems if the purpose is to make everyone equal. Even though the UCs are prohibited from using race, you can still allude to hardships in your personal statement, which in a lot of ways accomplishes the same goals e.g. ‘All my life i’ve lived in the poor neighborhood of watts…’ you’d be dumb not to put something like that in your application if it was true and worked toward your advantage.</p>
<p>No one’s obviously going to like anything that goes against them or the people/things they care about. That being said, we’re not all equal. And, unfortunately for some, there’s a correlation between belonging to a certain race, and being in a certain income bracket. Also, the case by case basis in terms of income would still work against diversity. It would just amount to a bunch of poor asians/indians/whites with high academics the ability to get into the universities at the expense of their, generally lower ranked minority peers (e.g. hispanics/blacks)</p>