What is the Waitlist? All Your Questions Answered

<p>Why do universities have waitlists?</p>

<p>The waitlist is insurance for a school. When they admit students in March and early April, they have no idea how many students will accept their offer of admission. Though certainly most admission offices do multiple regressions, and analyze historical data to ‘guess’ how many students will accept and hope that that number is near the ‘target’ class size. </p>

<p>For some schools the ‘target’ class size can fluctuate a lot. If a school does not guarantee housing, for instance, the target can sway a few hundred people either way. A school like Columbia that has limited housing options usually cannot overenroll students. It would have no where to put them. So Columbia (and most highly selective schools - 50-100 total schools fill this bill) purposefully underenroll. </p>

<p>For example, if Columbia’s target class is 1425 students, when it admits 2429 students, it is more than likely hoping to have only 1400-1425 students come. Whatever the remainder they can fill with students on the waitlist.</p>

<p>Is there a rank to this wait list?</p>

<p>Some schools - less selective schools - rank their waitlist. If they admitted 1000 students, and you were number 1001, if they go to the waitlist, you are in! </p>

<p>Columbia and highly selective schools do not rank. Why? they also use the waitlist to fill in the gaps that they might have. What if the baseball team lost that recruit that went to another school? What if there are not enough science majors? What if we could use more women in engineering? That one student admitted from Alaska didn’t come, what about admitting someone from there.</p>

<p>When Columbia, and schools like it, go to the waitlist, they are weighing ALL these questions, and looking at data, and decide to admit students that fill gaps.</p>

<p>Why is this hard for you, as a student on the waitlist? You don’t know what gaps need to be filled, so it is very hard to know how good or bad a chance you have to be admitted off the waitlist.</p>

<p>Then, why am I on the waitlist</p>

<p>Because you’re awesome. You’re smart, you have everything you possibly could do in high school, but in the committee process (that highly selective schools use) it was not quite clear that you really stood out. </p>

<p>Students on the waitlist, therefore, share a lot of the same qualities as people who are admitted. There is a great variety in terms of what you do, where you come from, what you could add to campus. Some students may have been so close to admission, but the feeling was something was missing. Schools also use the waitlist to shore up their admission statistics (in case they admit you) so students that perhaps are boring, but are very high testers or have won big awards may be on the waitlist because if admitted they may improve the average of the school.</p>

<p>How many students are on the waitlist?</p>

<p>This is something I will be vague about. I know Columbia doesn’t release this information, I have learned of it privately through friends, but in the end if Columbia doesn’t want to alarm people, it is not my role to do so. I am going to purposefully use small numbers to explain.</p>

<p>The biggest issue with the waitlist is that not all students will accept a spot on the waitlist. If you are waitlisted at Columbia, but admitted to the school of your dreams, you probably will tell Columbia no thanks. </p>

<p>So let’s say Columbia has admitted its class, it has 1400 students enrolled and wants to admit 25 more people. Within that group of 25, the baseball team really needs a new starting pitcher, the orchestral director would love a new oboist, the alumni office is really pushing for 5 legacies, the science committee would like 10 more scientists, the engineering dean would like 5 more female engineers, and the college dean would like 3 more students that come from poor backgrounds. </p>

<p>Let’s just think about that one baseball player. To admit that player you have to not only consider all the starting pitchers that the coach recruited, you have to consider that a fair number may have chosen to attend another school. So instead of putting 1 student on the waitlist, you may indeed put 2 or 3. But you also have to consider that that baseball player has to compliment the Academic Index of the team so that it is within one standard deviation of the class median. So you can’t just rely on 2 or 3 students to fit that bill, you need probably closer to 5-6 students different students on the waitlist just to fill that one spot. </p>

<p>Baseball is an extreme example, but the idea being that the waitlist has to have depth, and it has to be able to still remain strong even after most students choose not to attend.</p>

<p>I will let you guess how ‘big’ the waitlist is. The point is, for a school like Columbia that doesn’t rank its waitlist, if it is small then there is a chance that they can’t use the waitlist as insurance.</p>

<p>Should I accept my place on the waitlist</p>

<p>Knowing all of the above…it is your choice. I think that there is nothing to lose in accepting a place on the waitlist, but you should spend most of your energy thinking about what school to enroll in by May 1. Pick the school you really want to attend.</p>

<p>In general, I would say pick 1 school to stay on the waitlist. Why? What if you get off the waitlist at Princeton, but two days later you get off the waitlist at Columbia. So you not only have to pay the deposit for your first school, you paid the deposit for Princeton, but because Columbia is so amazing you now have to think about paying a 3rd deposit to go to Columbia. Maybe you are rich, but that sounds like a lot of money, and a lot of heartache.</p>

<p>But staying on the waitlist of a school you really like is fine. Just be realistic.</p>

<p>Also WRITE to the school you are on the waitlist. Some schools only consider students on the waitlist if and only if the student announces in some written form, and with the mastery of almost a mini college essay, that he/she is interested and will attend. Just saying you want to stay on the list, is not good enough.</p>

<p>What are my chances of getting off the waitlist</p>

<p>Unknown. There is no one, not even the admissions officer right now that could tell you your chances. What if everyone accepts the spot on the wait list, what if most people do not accept a spot on the list. What if Columbia overenrolls and no one will be taken off the waitlist, what if Columbia underenrolls and has to take a lot of students off the waitlist (then you might be kicking yourself for not having chosen to ‘stay on the wait list’)?</p>

<p>What kind of ‘insurance’ does Columbia want to use? What are they low on, what do they have too much already in the class? </p>

<p>Then the very subjective: who were the students that admission officers loved, but didn’t get in during regular.</p>

<p>With all these ‘unknowns’ I think the best thing to realize is that if you worry too much about your chances you can go numb. </p>

<p>Could you give me something to feel better?</p>

<p>Sure! You deserve something more than uncertainty. I think the first thing to know, and if you’re decently quantitative minded this may even put you more to ease. This is a thought experiment using data I know (not from Columbia, but from another school).</p>

<p>Whatever school you are waitlisted wants to admit people off the waitlist. They REALLY do. That is why they have a waitlist. In fact every year they plan to take let’s say between 25-50 students.</p>

<p>The waitlist itself, however, is not something that is ranked, but after going through the committee process they end up having 1000 students on the waitlist, which means if they have to let’s say admit a lot of students one year, let’s say 100 students off the waitlist, they have tons and tons of different kinds of students to choose from. But of the people on the waitlist, only 500 accept a spot.</p>

<p>So on May 1, this random school is looking to admit 35 students into the class, and they have 500 students to choose from. Guess what that means? They are admitting probably somewhere around 7% of the students who stayed on the waitlist (and 3.5% of all waitlisted students, including those that did not accept a spot).</p>

<p>It is really competitive. It is very uncertain. Hopefully this section gives you food for thought on staying on a waitlist. But also gives you food for thought when you are that student that stays on 3 or more waitlists. If you are not sincerely interested in attending the school, don’t take up the spot. Columbia and other schools have prepared for this and are okay with you saying no to them. This way students that a) Columbia wants, b) want Columbia are on the waitlist. The chances are still long, but so long as you’re realistic about it, hopefully you wont feel too disappointed.</p>

<p>Thanks for the post! I PM’ed you earlier but this thread basically answered all my questions. :)</p>

<p>I’m waitlisted too. And I’m really keen on attending Columbia if I get off the waitlist. However, with the same ‘keenness’, I am also wanting to attend a certain program at a different univeristy.</p>

<p>My questions: </p>

<ol>
<li><p>If I write to Columbia stating that ‘if I get off the waitlist, I’ll surely attend’ then can they hold me against that if I eventually don’t plan to attend? What would the consequences be if I don’t attend?</p></li>
<li><p>How do I show my genuine, strong interest in Columbia without being committal?</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>Thanks Admissiongeek. These posts were very informative. I shared them with my d who was waitlisted by Columbia.</p>

<p>Letsplay: if you eventually get an offer, it’s only that: an offer. You’re free to decline given whatever circumstances you find yourself at that time. Good luck to you</p>

<p>Admissionsgeek, this is very informative.
Can you comment on reapplying or reactivating an application where a student has been waitlisted and plans to take a gap year instead of enrolling somewhere else? (This doesn’t have to be specific to Columbia – I’d appreciate your general thoughts on the idea and whether it might be a successful strategy.)
Thanks.</p>

<p>@admissionsgeek: how are students informed if they are accepted? email, snail mail or phone call?? Thanks. Your thread is very informative!</p>