My cousin graduated with an advanced regents diploma with mastery in math and science (NY). He earned the Ap Scholar award with distinction . He earned a 5 on 5 ap exams ( calculus BC , biology, literature ,human geography , comparative government) . He has about 57 high school credits because his course load was heavy and rigorous . He also has over 30 college credits from taking college classes while in high school in a dual enrollment program at his school( not including ap credit). He also did an enrichment program for talented minority students going into the medical field at a state hospital, which was for 3 summers and 1 day after school for two hours during the school year ( since sophomore through senior year ). His high school gpa : 85 - 90 ( I dont know exact gpa and his school does not report weighted / unweighted gpa) . He is going to attend a good SUNY school and then transfer to Cornell and he wants to be a doctor . So , what kind of student would you say he graduated as ? A poor student , average student , good student , excellent student , stellar student , or genius ?
what type of student would you say this student gratuated highschool as ? average , excellent ......
Why are you asking? Is he satisfied with his path?
He wants the perspective of others. @austinmshauri
Well, since he wants to be a doctor, I think what will matter are his MCAT scores and college GPA. His high school GPA seems low. What was his SAT?
I’m not sure of the distinction between excellent and stellar, but he’s definitely above an "above average’ student! Best wishes to him as he begins the next phase and I hope his dreams come true!
I’ll bite
Not enough information to give you an answer. Too many variables.
Too wide of a range with your gpa (85 would be a solid b 3.0 gpa , where a 90 would be an A- 3.7 gpa)
What are your SAT scores, what are your subject test scores?
Are you EOP/HEOP eligible or General admissions?
What is your class rank? HOw many students in your graduating class?
How many students from your school have been admitted to Cornell in the past? What were their GPA/SAT scores? IF your school has naviance, you may be able to see the scattergrams.
While it may be your plan to transfer to Cornell after 1-2 years, you will not be a lock for admissions to Cornell as a transfer because you do not know what the transfer pool will look like in one/two years.
You will have to submit your high school transcript and GPA. Since final grades are going in this week how will you look at the end of this term?
Did you apply to Cornell via RD, you may end up with a guaranteed transfer should you not be admitted.
Will your family have to take on debt to attend Cornell? If yes, you would be better served staying at SUNY and saving your money for med school
I’ll bite too. He sounds like a good but not particularly stellar or outstanding student who tests well. I am wondering why the transfer to Cornell? Why not just attend the good SUNY all four years? Presumably if he stays at the SUNY, he is more likely to maintain a high GPA necessary for med school. Transferring to Cornell would be more expensive and to be frank, more competitive - that may result in a lower GPA. What’s the point? In this instance, there is no reason to go for the high cost prestige factor.
I’ll bite too. It does not matter at all. Your “cousin” has been accepted to college. End of discussion.
Now his job is to get the best possible college GPA, and the best possible MCAT score.
I can’t imagine why he would transfer to Cornell. It’s a great school, but so are the SUNY schools. What is his reasoning for transferring to Cornell?
What possible difference could it make? Why would you take very detailed data and reduce it to a silly judgement?
Also, your cousin can easily open his own CC account. Free and easy.
His HS record becomes ancient history once he is in college. He’ll have to have superb grades, good MCAT scores and other competitive credentials from hos college experience to get into any medical schools. His HS record gets him into college.
I’d say he’s a smart kid who isn’t smart enough to realize that your grades are as important as test scores. Doesn’t look like either a genius or a poor student.
@sybbie719, I remember reading at least one of Cornell’s contract colleges stating on their website that if you get a 3.5 GPA or higher at one of the CC’s/SUNY’s that they have an articulation agreement with, a successful transfer is highly likely.
Cornell’s articulation agreements are with the community college. However, even then they don’t guarantee admission
Cornell states:
I see the following challenges:
Is Op willing to attend one of the community colleges and take the subscribed courses, get an associates degree from that school for a chance of getting admitted to one of the Cornell land grant schools
CALS articulation agreements
CALS also states
Is Op willing to major in one of the designated majors?
OP would still have to submit both HS and college transcripts
http://admissions.cals.cornell.edu/apply/transfer/how-to-apply
@sybbie719: CALS has articulation agreements with some SUNYs:
http://admissions.cals.cornell.edu/apply/transfer/transfer-agreements
Though true, transfer admission isn’t guaranteed.
If the student is pre-med, however, getting in to Cornell (or not) may not be a big deal. Doing well enough in the MCAT and on his GPA (and medical-related ECs) would be.
As you see I did post CALS articulation agreement in my posting
Op says /she will be going to a good SUNY. I wonder if s/he would even be amenable to give up the seat at a 4 year SUNY to attend community college.
I agree with those who feel there’s not enough information. What SAT/ACT scores? What is his exact GPA? 85-90* is too wide of a range. What high school did he attend?
Also agree that if med school alone is the goal, transferring to Cornell may not be the best decision unless one knows one’s strong enough to continue excelling there as well considering the exceedingly competitive nature of med school admissions where college GPA from all courses ever attempted up to the first bachelors which fulfills pre-med requirements will be factored in.
- A 90 is somewhere between a B+(88) and an A-(91) on the normed scales I've seen used in K-12 and college.
CALS has a pretty diverse set of majors:
http://admissions.cals.cornell.edu/academics/majors
Business is hard to get in to, but they also have various bio majors, stats, sociology, nutrition, atmospheric science, IS, communication, and a few environment/earth science majors, among others.
I think there is enough information to say that he is at least a hardworking student.
Hopefully he has all As for the college credits.
Medical school applications consider all college credits in determining the GPA and those 30 college credits can be an asset or a problem based on the performance.
3.5 GPA won’t cut it for MD applicants. So transferring to Cornell because they might accept a 3.5 GPA in college would be the wrong choice because GPA can only go down at Cornell, not up if one is at 3.5.