<p>I think twos b/c they actually test the the specific subject, whereas one is just if you can memorize a dictionary. I also think AP grades matter in admission, even though they say the grades don’t. for ap exams are much more comprehensive and are mostly college lever work.</p>
<p>I would argue that the ones are more important, for opposite reason you stated. For the twos, students can simply memorize all there is to know about a certain topic. In contrast, the ones test a student’s ability to reason, something that can be enhanced, but not taught.</p>
<p>If you read “A is for Admission”, a book written by a former Dartmouth admissions officer, it explains that the SAT Is are weighed more heavily than SAT IIs … so the ones are obviously more important for admissions.</p>
<p>I think APs are more thorough than the SAT IIs, so you’re forced to know more for APs - although I think the scoring system for APs isn’t too great. It’s relatively easy to get a “perfect score” of a 5, whereas it is much more difficult (although obviously not impossible) to get perfect scores on the SAT IIs.</p>
<p>one is reasoning test? i totally disagree. they call it reasoning test… if you think the fact that someone spend hours ‘memorizing’ or i’d like to call it learning a specific subject is not important, than whats the point of going to school and get As? you are just ‘memorizing’ your text books. SAT 1 verbal is nothing more than a test of vocabulary… if they really want to test reasoning, they could have used easier words. and if they REALLY want to know how intelligent you are, why not use IQ tests?</p>
<p>sat is an awesome way for ets to rip ppl off.</p>
<p>Princetonwannabe, I disagree about the SAT I Verbal. I think that while it does test vocabularly to an extent, it is far more then a test of vocabularly. I got a 770 on Verbal and my failure to get an 800 was caused by an inability to reason clearly enough on Critical Reading questions, which rarely test vocabularly. My vocabulary is quite high (although most of it was acquired by good old-fashioned reading, not memorizing), but it didn’t get me an 800. I’d suspect this is the case with many other people. I’d be very surprised to hear of a person who managed get no critical reading wrong, yet 4 or more wrong between sentence completions and analogies. I’d wager that those who do exceptionally well on critical reading tend to exceptionally well on the other sections of verbal. The converse probably isn’t true. The Critical Reading I’d say, at least, tests reasoning ability and possibly intelligence to a degree.</p>
<p>well, here is how i see things… it is not reasoning unless you need logic to do it. its like one of those math statements where you go if you are a football player, than you are an athlete, and you ask if that means if you are an athlete, then you are a football player… the critical reading is a lot like the English AP. so its more of a test of ENGLISH ablities, which comes down to vocabulary, ability to analyze in deeper context and such… i dont see sat 1 as a reasoning test at all… you might argue that it tests reasoning ability to a degree, but then again, that depends on how you define “reasoning”. if by reasoning you mean reading context and understand that is stated or the sarcasm that is present, then i dont think that is direct reasoning… it still a test of english. i do agree that reading comprehension requires less vocab than do ana and sc. but still, i do not thinkg the present sat 1 is a reasoning test. the new one start in march 05, i think is much better. for there are SHORTER passages. so that student doesnt have go through 150 lines of passage…</p>
<p>I understand your point Princetonwannabe. Just some food for thought though. Their have been people who took the SAT verbal test without even looking at the questions, to see if they could reason their way to correct answers. And many of these people did surprisingly well (that is, surprisingly well considering they never saw any questions). Higher than a good percentage of the population who could actually see the questions, and far better then could be predicted by pure chance. This to me indicates that the SAT Verbal tests a good amount of reasoning, but I can see arguments tending the other way.</p>
<p>hahaha. you know whats sad? i did that for cr, and i got perfect on a practice test. while i do the real one. i do bad. thats why im so bitter… :(:(:(:(:(:(:(</p>
<p>Obilisk, I missed 2 questions overall on the critical reading section of SAT I verbal, and around 12 wrong on Sentence completion/Analogy, b/c i simply did not know the words.</p>
<p>SAT I Verbal is a combination of vocab and reasoning. Calling it a reasoning test alone is totally wrong. If your vocabulary isn’t good there’s no way you can get above 700.</p>
<p>Now back to the initial question…I think some schools (especially in CA) value SAT IIs as much as SAT I, but i don’t think there’s any school that would value II more than I. Although AP / IB tests are truly a better indication of how well you’ll do in college, they are unfortunately inferior to SATs in their admission weight.</p>
<p>Its much easier to cheat your way through SAT1. For SAT2, you have to KNOW what to do, which is entire point of the test.</p>
<p>MIT throws out SAT1 for international applicants in place of TOEFL. It tells you how much they really believe in reasoning ability tested for in SAT1.</p>
<p>even for cdns? they through out sat 1? ouch.</p>
<p>I don’t know if Canadians qualify as internationals. You should check up with MIT.</p>
<p>For the rest of us, yes, SAT1 is, basically, irrelevant. I’ve given both SAT1 and TOEFL, and got a significantly higher score in TOEFL - 1470 vs. 287 (CBT). Though I’ve reported both, I know they will probably look at TOEFL and my SAT2’s.</p>
<p>I believe as long as you are in the ballpark, they will only weigh your essay/interview/extracurricular activities. If they are too similar, it comes down to the SAT II scores, SAT I scores and AP scores in order to maintain a “high” average on these standardized tests to make it SEEM like the university is better.</p>