What's my chance for the following universities? [Mechanical Engineering; 4.0 UW, 1550 SAT 'superscore', MA resident]

You sold me here - why would you ED and bind yourself to another when you couldn’t hear from Ga Tech.

Now, here’s the thing with top choices - it is today, but you don’t truly know until you get onto campus how it will work out.

But admissions is not a game - well it shouldn’t be a game.

If I busted my tail for four years and I thought there was a place I wanted to end up, why would I potentially bind myself somewhere else…especially one you say the first year can be depressing or isolating?

If you go 0 for 3, guess what - there’s another 50-100 you can make that same statement about.

Don’t ED.

Good luck!!

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shoot I meant that I would REA somewhere if GA Tech was my top choice. Is there a way I can edit the post or smth? my bad

So sorry for the confusion. I didn’t mean to say that GA Tech was my top choice, just that I could REA somewhere if it was. Again, sorry for the miscommunication. I really liked all three schools when I toured them.

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I made a chance me/match me if it helps

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X2. Give yourself the time to see all the offers at the end of the day. Reading your responses tells me you need more time.

Where would you REA? Stanford? CalTech?

This is just due to my experience with my kiddo last year, but regular decision can work out nicely IF you want to spend the time crafting excellent essays, AND you feel like you want to see offers from different schools.

My kid is a freshman at Cornell. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. I’d be glad to answer anything, and if I don’t know the answer, I’d be glad to ask them.

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I responded - but I still wouldn’t ED.

All three are your favorite but you expressed doubt about Cornell - isolating. I’d want to visit and talk to students on campus - so no ED.

CMU has a different feel you note - and you’ve heard it’s grindy - I’d want to talk to students before I ED.

btw - I’m not sure you’ll find an engineering program, at least one worthwhile, that isn’t “grindy” - that’s all I heard about from my son - I spent hours and hours doing homework - and on one single problem - and that was at a southeastern state school.

btw - CMU and Ga Tech are in the city - Cornell isn’t.

You mentioned food - if it matters to you and it should - low blood sugar - i think niche grades aren’t wrong. And one parent noted that at Ga Tech it was hard to find housing for a semester - if you graduated early/late or went overseas.

You want a suite - well, my son chose Alabama over Purdue because - not only do you get your own room (in a four person suite), but you share a bathroom with just one other kid. So there are schools out there - with great, modern housing set ups. I wouldn’t trust niche for housing - because some schools may not be great but may have new modern dorms mixed in. You might look at Freshman dorms on line to see what’s avail.

I’ll go back to - if you were my kid, I wouldn’t ED.

You’re not ready to decide.

Whatever lift there might be and it’s likely between none and slim to none - isn’t worth it.

You’re going to be on campus in 10 months - wouldn’t you want to take the time to ensure you picked the best one possible for you - which might be none of the three. Both my kids adapted to their school’s food but struggled. You have to find your footing but it is true that Cornell’s food is well thought of.

You’ve visited - but you haven’t deep dived spoken to anyone, based on the comments at least.

I’d ask to speak to student ambassadors or make final trips and stop people on campus and chat them up. My daughter did and we learned a ton that way.

On your chance me, you have a great list - which you should expand. Don’t assume higher ranked = better. Most engineering schools are similar.

For example, Ga Tech reports MechEs make $82.5K median (they don’t show average) and that 71.2% who sought a job found one. They don’t share a knowledge rate but for the school its 35%. They don’t give a time stamp but if it’s based on NACE, it’s 6 months after graduation.

Alabama - as an alternate - provides much more detailed info because their knowledge rate is 91% in the major. In other words, they are much closer to their grads in scoping outcomes. They show 5% still seeking but while it’s much lower than Ga Techs 28.8%, it’s a different metric. Ga Tech doesn’t show how many are in grad school (Bama says 38%) - But if you looked at 5% still seeking and 57% employed, it’s probably 9% or so who wanted a job still seeking. Their average salary (not median like Ga Tech) is $78,725 (note 35 gave a salary of 98 responses).

Look at close to home UCONN, which shows 9.3% still seeking and an average of $76.5K (a bit less below Bama) and a Median of $78,650 - not far below Ga Tech.

In other words, engineering is not rank sensitive. Companies pay by the location moreso than anything - and for whatever reason, Ga Tech shows a higher can’t find rate - now Cornell and CMU will be higher in salary - but that’s because and I imagine there is some at Ga Tech, many engineering majors will place into “other” jobs like consulting or other high tech things that a UMASS or UCONN grad might not.

Cornell, for example, shows both a Median and Mean of $89K with an 80% knowledge rate - with 1% seeking employment (one person) but with a much higher % in grad school than the Bama and UCONN. Ga Tech doesn’t measure that.

Cornell has near half its grads in “technology” as opposed to manufacturing and also has some in consulting.

So it’s higher salary may not be the result of engineering jobs.

Anyway, bottom line, you are so not ready to ED - in my opinion.

You need time to look deeper under the hood of these three and the others on your list - and maybe more that you stumble across from suggestions - like an RPI as an example, which to me, fits your desires.

Good luck.

Hi everyone,

I really appreciate all of the feedback and advice. If I were not ED to CMU or Cornell, should I REA somewhere?

I have talked in depth to several students at each school (except GA Tech, which I am looking into). The issue is that every student has a different experience, so it is hard to get an idea of what mine would be. For example, I talked to a student who was considering transferring during Freshman year at Cornell, but now is happy that they stayed. I talked to someone who said that the workload at Cornell is manageable, but that student is an absolute academic weapon, so idk.

REA Options:

  • Harvard
    • soft hooked (sibling there)
    • good engineering, but not as many facilities as somewhere like Purdue
  • Yale
    • same engineering situation as Harvard
  • Stanford, Princeton, Caltech
    • My school doesn’t really get kids into these schools ever.
      • For Stanford, we call it the “Stanford Streak”. I think someone broke ED or smth a while ago
      • We consistently have kids going to all of the Ivies and top schools, just not to these three (and MIT)

Likely a combination of homesickness (18 year old away from home for the first time) and taking time to make friends, etc. Common for most everyone - both mine.

Harvard isn’t great at engineering? Better not tell anyone there.

Same at Yale??? Nooooo - their grads aren’t killing it.

Cal Tech - if you were interested, I would send you @aunt_bea - it’s very eye opening.

I would not worry about where your kids send and I would worry about you.

There’s literally 100+ GREAT Mech E schools. You may get into the handful that will matter outcome wise - but those outcomes might be better due to non-engineering jobs.

Let me ask you this - besides a big ranking (wherever you looked), what do you actually want in a school?

Large / small/rural
Urban / rural
Good food (UMASS, Va Tech, UCLA, Cornell)
Own dorm room - I know Bama and UAH - I don’t know others but they exist
Sports?
Greek life?
Weather

Another reason not to ED - it doesn’t seem like you picked the right schools for you. You looked at the top of a magazine/website and said - I’ll choose them.

That could work out - but it’s less likely to.

For Yale and Harvard, I just meant in comparison to top engineering schools like Purdue, CMU, Cornell, GA Tech, etc. They are all great at engineering; that’s why I’m considering them.

E.g. Harvard doesn’t have any project teams and only 1 engineering building that covers all ENG majors. The SEC is nice (I toured it a couple months ago), but it just doesn’t have the same facilities as the engineering areas of a school like Cornell has.

I’m not interested in greek life

I would like to play recreational Frisbee and Trumpet in an ensemble, Pep Band, or orchestra

I am not too tied to a suite/own dorm room. I just mentioned it since it would be nice, but its not a big deal for me.

My list of schools has been refined from an original list of around 60-70; the choices aren’t based off of the rankings, they are also based off of my interests and my experiences from tours.

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Fair. Glad you are doing and sorry for my false inferrence. I would revisit top choices -don’t take repeat tours. Self tour. Stop kids. Walk the surrounds.

And add Umass or an equivalent. I don’t expect you’ll need it but you never know.

My co worker went there. Lives in Phoenix. Said the food is better and fresher than any local restaurant. High praise.

No issue with your list other than to add a true safety.

I just think ED will lead you to panic if you get in - as in maybe I chose wrongly. I would keep your possibilities open til you stumble on one that says - THIS IS IT - like the Kenny Loggins/Michael McDonald song - old man reference.

It’d be nice to be done but for you I suspect taking an app breather and visiting finalists again after decisions could be helpful.

Good profile. Good luck.

A lot of the REA schools don’t make sense for you unless you want optionality to step away from engineering. If you are set on Mech Engg then you should set aside schools like Harvard, Yale, possibly Princeton etc.

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Given this uncertainty regarding which school you prefer, I would not ED anywhere. You really do not need to apply ED anywhere. You also do not need to REA anywhere.

Summers in Georgia might however be a bit tough to get used to.

No. It is not up to the school to get students into Stanford or Princeton or Caltech.

Let’s look at some numbers. Caltech has something like 235 first year students. If you include public and private high schools, there might be 35,000 high schools in the US. If you are the top number 1 student in your high school and apply to Caltech, I think that you can guess what your chances would be – bleak. MIT might have a bit over 1,000 first year students – still bleak. Stanford and Princeton are similar. This is not your high school’s fault. This is just simple math. However, if you look at the incoming freshmen at these schools, you will find that they come from a huge range of high schools, “all over the place”. Your high school has very little to do with this.

My high school had sent one single kid to MIT in the entire history of the high school. The year I graduated, two students went to MIT (and another to EPFL Lausanne).

Given your great stats (from the other thread), and being in-state in MA and applying to U.Mass, you have a superb safety. With a safety this excellent, you are sitting in a great position. These top schools (Stanford, Princeton, Caltech) are looking for students who are a great fit for them. They get it right quite often. If you apply ED anywhere else, then you might have taken this option away from them.

I would just apply EA or RD to all of them, let them decide whether they agree that you would be a great fit, and know that you will be in a great university next year even if you do not know which one, or what type of winter coat you might need.

I really only think that ED is a good idea if you have a very clear top preference, and I am not convinced that this applies here.

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You need to examine the 990 and investment report of every single college you are interested in if “donating to Israel” is a deal breaker for you. Hundreds of US colleges are invested in the tech sector, invested in prominent VC firms, startups, etc. many of which are either based in Israel, or based elsewhere but their R&D is located in Israel.

Get rid of your cellphone while you’re at. Stop any online payments. Stop any security apps you use to keep your private information private. All of these technologies were created by Israeli innovators, and most US colleges invest their endowments in these high growth companies.

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Paging @SpreadsheetMom who can give you some current insight to some of the factors about GT you mentioned, including their marching band and freshman suites.

It’s not most people in your life who are going to spend 4 years at the school though, it’s you. It’s totally ok to choose somewhere different than what “most people” think because it feels right for you.

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@sakashima3 Hey! Thanks @SJ2727 for paging me. :blush:

My daughter is currently a freshman at GT, and I can tell you about her experience with housing, food and band.

It is possible to live in a suite-style dorm freshman year, but your time ticket to choose housing is based on totally random draw, so it’s possible the dorm style you want will be gone before your turn to choose. Also, I think all the suite-style dorms are on West campus. That’s totally fine for some kids (including mine) – but it’s far from the stadium, frat row and most of the parties. It’s the quieter side of campus.

So what my kid did to ensure good housing was apply to the honors program, which isn’t really an honors college like at other schools – it’s more a living-learning community. It requires a couple of essays, but if you get in, you have to live in honors housing, where you get your own room and only share a bathroom with one other person. There are some other benefits/drawbacks, but my kid only heard “private room” and she was sold. So far, it has been a GREAT experience for her. I can share much more info about it if it becomes relevant.

There are three main dining halls, plus a bunch of food in the student center (Panda Express, Chick-fil-A, lots of things). The dining hall food is…fine. Not great. I hear some complaints on the parent forum that it’s actively horrible, but my own kid doesn’t think so. It’s nothing to write home about, however.

She’s in marching band this semester, which is a class that meets and rehearses on MWF afternoons from 3:30 to 5:30. And then most of Saturday if the team is playing at home, of course. There are 300 or so members in the band? Lots of trumpets. She’s a clarinet, and I think there are 27 of them. GT does not march at a high level the way you see at Auburn or Ohio State or whatever, but they still do reasonable drill plus a ton of fun activities. She is having a great time with it.

In the spring, you can register for Pep Band as a class in the same way, which only meets on Monday evenings I think. But she is leaning more toward one of the ensembles – there are concert and symphonic bands, and concert and symphonic orchestras. Unfortunately, her skills are probably best suited to concert band, but the meeting time (2 to 3:15 T-TH) conflicts with a class she needs for her major. So she’s debating whether she wants to audition for the higher-level symphonic band, try to get a spot in concert orchestra (they rarely have woodwind spots available in the spring because most people audition in the fall and stay all year, and she did marching band instead) – or just do pep band even though she’s not super interested, or skip it altogether and resolve to practice on her own.

There are also jazz ensembles and rock ensembles and other things – more suited for trumpet than clarinet.

I am not super familiar with the project teams yet, but I know there are a ton of opportunities with varying degrees of difficulty to join.

There are all kinds of students at GT, from really nerdy to frat bros and everything in-between. My daughter is an artsy design kid who couldn’t play a sport if her life depended on it, hates the idea of Greek life, loves thrifting for clothes and experimenting with her hair and makeup – but also just competed in a Mario Kart tournament on campus against a bunch of dudes and did pretty well. She goes to parties but isn’t a big drinker, and she has not felt pressured to do anything she hasn’t wanted to. Marching band has been great in terms of feeling nurtured, because the older kids look out for the younger ones and make sure they’re safe. That said, her main friend group so far has been through the honors program and not marching band (which surprised us).

I can’t speak to the weather because we’re local to Atlanta, so she’s used to it. The summer and early fall is hot as hell, and she nearly passed out marching in the heat at the first game. (There is ice cold a/c inside everywhere, including every dorm.) Winters are mostly mild. If it snows (like every other year), the whole campus will probably shut down, lol.

Let me know if you have any other specific questions, and I’ll try to answer them!

Incidentally, my GT kid considered both CMU and Cornell – she was looking for a niche arts+tech major that both of these schools offered. She eventually decided not to apply to either for a bunch of reasons – weather, grind, marching band, and cost all figured in.

(I wanted to jump on the bandwagon of cautioning you against ED if you’re not 100% sure of your top choice. My older daughter applied to quite a few selective schools – Emory, WashU, Northwestern, Rice – but she only applied RD or EA if it was available because she wasn’t willing to commit. It worked out fine, and she got into two of her top choices through regular decision. The most painful part was waiting until late March to find out.)

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You don’t go to GT for the accommodations. Campus food is bad and dorms are mediocre except the new one which a freshman most likely won’t get. Look at a LLC or honors program. Son did honors program just for a better dorm. Most students move off campus after freshman year.

That said, Atlanta is a big city with many dining options. However the engineering programs are top-notch which is reason enough to attend. Son is an ISyE grad.

All the schools you’ve mentioned probably have a 10% acceptance rate or lower. Do you have a few target/safety schools?

Maybe look at Case, Virginia Tech or NC State. All excellent schools for engineering.

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We were posting at the same time, lol. The new dorm – Peterson – is actually mostly reserved for first-year students, and it filled slower than you’d think because so many students don’t want to be on West campus. That said, it still has small dorm rooms with two students crammed in there, it’s just nicer because everything is new.

Surprisingly, GT changed their housing policy this year to guarantee housing for sophomores if they apply in time. So mine is hoping to stay in honors housing next year, too. I’m glad to delay apartment rent prices for one more year if it works out!

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Why? Plus those deadlines are VERY soon.

Apply EA wherever it’s offered. Then I think RD to the rest. But that is my opinion.

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