What's the future for music majors?

<p>I am a science major but my passion always has been music, dance, and acting.
Every time I dance in front of an audience or sing, or play my piano, or act, I feel the happiest. It brings me so much joy. But my parents are thoroughly against it.
They keep asking what’s in the future for you in music?
You can tell they’re not the most supportive.
I just wanted ask everyone who majoring in music, do you have your future planned out?
Where do you see yourself working? is getting hired with music degree difficult? and so on.
Just tell me everything about the future you imagine and where you see yourself, if you’re a music major. </p>

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<p>“Where your talents and the needs of the world cross lies your calling.” Aristotle</p>

<p>It depends on what aspect of music you are referring to. Some are focused on music ed and want to become teachers, others are focused on performance, others on technology, composition or business. There is such a broad range of what you could study and pursue within the field of music. It does seem that most music majors have a specific direction within music they are pursuing and thus have an idea of the career direction they would like to pursue.</p>

<p>No one knows the future and I can suspect that your parents want to make sure you are best set up for some type of employment beyond college. However, if that does not involve science, you will probably gravitate towards something else. Can you minor or double major in music? Is there a specific aspect you are interested in?</p>

<p>Veronica, You sound very young if you are asking this question and you are already in college majoring in science and thinking that the grass is greener over in the music, singing, piano, acting world. Majoring in music is not just about picking a major in college. You can major in science and also major or minor in music. That is not the same as doing music or studying music at a conservatory or studying musical theatre or musical performance for the purposes of making that your career. People that chose that path live and breathe music 24/7 and couldn’t live without it. You can be a really good piano player, singer or actor, and still not make a living at it, and that’s what your parents know. Also, doing music for fun or being in a play for fun is a lot different than choosing to do it for a living.</p>

<p>If you are young, keep working at your science major. If you can, take private lessons to continue your development in piano, singing or acting (all if you’re rich and have the time). Science and math and engineering are really the best majors if you want a chance at a higher paying job out of college. Very few music majors get good paying jobs right after their undergrad degree. In fact, many music majors will end up taking low paying music-related jobs AND working some other non-music job to make ends meet. Some music majors will also go on to grad school (can you say more loans?). </p>

<p>So, unless you are extremely talented and dedicated to a specific musical or performance pursuit, you will likely not achieve your magical dream of making money at acting, piano playing and singing. What you can do while an undergrad is get involved with student groups where you can participate in music and acting and further develop yourself, and no matter what, you will enjoy it tremendously as a hobby. If you decide after your bachelor’s degree to pursue it further, then you can figure that out. If money is not an issue, then your parents wouldn’t be so worried about your major.</p>

<p>Sorry to be so blunt, but there is not an easy path to fame and fortune in music and acting.</p>

<p>Veronica123,</p>

<p>One of the college admissions persons suggested we get this book: “Beyond Talent: Creating a Successful Career in Music” by Angela Myles Beeching. This was back when my son was a HS junior and we, his parents, were getting used to his desire to be a music (non-education) major. I skimmed the book, but my son read it. I got the idea that there may be no salaried job per se waiting out there for you but you make your living throught a patchwork of performing gigs, giving lessons, etc. Scary, but music was/is the only thing of interest to son, so no choice for his parents but to be supportive! I am hoping that son develops some other interests and skills within music, besides playing and arranging, such as technology or composition, that will enhance his income making potential.</p>

<p>DD was given the advice that unless she loved the other 90% of music, then the career was not for her. The other 90% is all that you do when not on stage. She studies her music, explores the literature it is based upon, translates and marks her music with the IPA pronunciations, listens to recordings by renowned experts, and practices all of the time. She loves all of this and the rehearsals. The performances are the icing on the cake. </p>

<p>She graduated last year with a BM and while waiting for her voice to grow more has been patching together a couple of jobs in music with one that is not. Next year she plans to try to have all music related jobs. It is scary, but she is supporting herself in a distant city and doing what she loves. One of her studio mates just was hired for a touring company production of a major Musical Theater show in Europe. But she also worked hard not only studying music in school, but working in the summers on her MT skills.</p>

<p>Here’s an article on a survey done for a report on how musicians of all stripes are making a living.</p>

<p>As financial gatekeepers dissolve, can the musical middle class thrive? - Music Features</p>

<p>More than half have other jobs, but the overall income is not bad. Of course, music majors have bachelor’s degrees and can apply to any job requiring a bachelor’s, and can go to grad school, med or law schools, whatever. And jobs within music vary, and can involve marketing, managing, administration, fundraising, teaching, composing, playing, all kinds of things.</p>

<p>oops here is the link </p>

<p>[As</a> financial gatekeepers dissolve, can the musical middle class thrive? - Music Features](<a href=“http://thephoenix.com/Boston/music/137242-as-financial-gatekeepers-dissolve-can-the-musical/]As”>As financial gatekeepers dissolve, can the musical middle class thrive? - Music Features)</p>

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What you say is sad but true. I have a friend that got his double Bachelor’s in Music Education & Performance. He is passionate about music just as I am. But he works as a cashier at a casino, a job he could have got with just a high school diploma and zero college.
Many years ago I was going to solely major in music but I began to think, “What will I do with this?” So then I switched to the clinical science field as people need hospitals because people get sick and hurt. A person can live without music although most would be utterly miserable but if you don’t have healthcare, you’ll perish much quicker. Although that can also be arguable. hehe </p>

<p>Don’t get me wrong, I’m very passionate about classical music/opera and playing the violin. But I’m also practical. Our music professor for my percussion section in high school (I play drums too) came by every so often to train us. He got his degree at Juliard. He was very intelligent and knew his stuff when it came to music. But his average salary was $40000, and he had to work at a profuse amount of performances and was constantly busy. I can’t speak for everybody but I like taking breaks and relaxing. I don’t know how much a professional orchestra pays or how secure it is, but I do know that a clinical lab scientist makes a minimum of $34/hr here at my hospital and maximum of $52/hr, full time with full benefits and 401K. If being a full time musician pays more than that and offers full benefits and retirement, then that’s great! But I know it is extremely competitive and difficult to make it to the top in the music world.
Any ways, not trying to bring anybody down or say science is a better choice than music. 'Twas just throwing out my two cents. For those that are majoring in music, I wish you the best.</p>

<p>You know the funny thing about this discussion is that my grandfather was actually angry and upset when my father took a faculty position at a very reputable University in the division of applied science. He was a physicist. My grandfather did not think that was a career with the same amount of potential as being a lawyer or a doctor. It is all relative.</p>

<p>Remember this is not your parents life, this is your life. </p>

<p>Do you have any role models? Have you met many musicians? What about your teachers?</p>

<p>There are many ways to make a career in the arts. Most artists I know teach as a way of supplementing what they earn from performing and creating. Even big name artists like Edgar Mayer and Esperanza Spalding teach. My son has been fortunate to have many mentors who are amazing teachers and who also have performing careers. Do they make as much money as those who go into investment banking? NO. But then again scientists (who work in academia) don’t make as much money as you imagine they would either. Our society does not distribute wealth evenly or even in accordance with any given person’s contribution. But one thing all my son’s mentors tell him is that they love what they do and they are very happy with their life. </p>

<p>My son knows several recent conservatory graduates. One just got hired by Cirque du Soliel. Another is teaching locally in our school system and working to sell his compositions. One of his compositions was almost bought by a big corporation for their commercials. It was one of two they were considering. Compared to others who graduated from that class who attended liberal arts schools, they are both doing well and are at least employed and not sitting in their parents basement. </p>

<p>I have another son who after attending Berklee’s 5 week decided that he did not want to become a musician. He is now becoming a scientist. But what is interesting is that his passion for music has not vanished. And he is constantly learning and fiddling with the intersection of music and computer science. He has this amazing book in our living room on generative music and has talked about programs at places like Stanford for graduate school where he might pursue such studies. Plenty of people combine their interest in science and their interest in the arts. </p>

<p>All that being said, I would repeat what others have said. Being an artist is not just about performing. There is a ton of work involved. And if you are not committed to practicing and doing the work then the performing arts are probably not the right career.</p>

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I agree with that, StacJip. Strange how Veronica123 hasn’t made any replies; this being her thread after all.
I personally like the science & medical field because it is always in demand and it is much more secure than the music field, in my opinion.</p>

<p>In demand and secure =/= fulfilling and enjoyable, necessarily.</p>

<p>Here’s a link to an article about Music and Art students written by John Schwaller President of SUNY Potsdam, home of the Crane School of Music.</p>

<p>[John</a> F. Schwaller: The Power of Improvisation: Students of the Arts](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>The Power of Improvisation: Students of the Arts | HuffPost College)</p>

<p>Here’s to creative people everywhere and their futures and ours!</p>

<p>Attending summer music festivals gave both of my kids a realistic view of the competition. I recommend this as a way for aspiring musicians to get a real feel for the professional world.</p>

<p>One child elected to go into neuroscience, graduated college this spring and is planning med school after completing a post-bac research position with NIH (she starts this job in September). She is at a music festival this summer (kept playing all through college with lessons, chamber groups and won a scholarship to the festival) and has no regrets about keeping music as an avocation.</p>

<p>Our second child was also more realistic after assessing the competition at the music festivals (he too is at a festival as I write). He is earning his piano technician license on the side and leaning more in an academic direction. He is a rising college junior at an LAC with a strong music program and plans to go into academic music. Although a good musician, he sees community orchestras, private students and some chamber work as all he will be able to compete in. He’s tuned some pianos (apprenticing under a tech) and hopes that this work will help. Working in science or a more “lucrative” occupation would not work for him. He knows he will be middle class at best. His dream is to teach theory or history at an LAC after grad school.</p>

<p>My thoughts are-be realistic, don’t borrow money for an undergraduate music degree and live cheap. However, do engage in work that is personally satisfying.</p>

<p>There is no doubt that going into the arts is daunting business, but in reality it never was a very assured living, even back in ‘the golden age’, if it existed. The chief music critic of the NY Times, Anthony Thomassini, in one of a series of Q and A’s with readers, was asked about how dismal it looked going into music as a vocation/avocation, and he said it always seemed to be. It can be daunting, something like 15,000 kids a year are graduating from music programs (not sure how many of those are academic, how many of those are performance) in the US alone, and on top of that music in all its forms is undergoing a seismic shift, orchestras are folding (and quite a few of them are almost pickup in status or pay very little with no benefits), session work is a declining art, in part because of synthesizers but also because of low wage musicians from Eastern Europe often getting those jobs, the recording industry is retrenching across the board and so forth…so it is challenging. Sure, it is great to think of getting into the NY Phil or BSO or LA Phil or the lSO, etc, where musicians make well into 6 figure salaries with benefits, but those jobs are incredibly hard to get into and competitive as hell, and with the incredible influx of kids coming out of Asia looking for jobs (given that the internal markets in China and Korea are more illusory then would otherwise be though), the competition is even fiercer for what does open up (among other things, musicians are often with the orchestras several decades). </p>

<p>I don’t think there was ever a great era for going into music realistically but it is a lot more challenging across the board then it ever was. There is always talk of the ‘instant superstar’ in more popular forms of music, but for every group that ‘makes it’ there are people eeking out a living doing various things, and always have been (same with dancing and acting) or any art (same with writers)</p>

<p>I agree with others, if someone has the passion then they would need to find a way. A lot of it depends on opportunities gotten through networking, through knowing people and putting together new ways of doing music. The digital download era, for example, might be putting a crimp of traditional record companies, but it also gives the opportunity for young musicians to get their sound out there, rather then waiting for some AR guy to 'discover them, they can put out their own videos and so forth to promote themselves…but it is tough sledding. </p>

<p>I have seen a lot of young classical musicians, especially on the solo instruments, who I kind of feel sorry for, they are the ones who really think that because they have won competitions, have gone to top level conservatories and had people swoon over their great technique, thinks this means they are going to get representation and become a top level soloist playing all the major orchestras and so forth; and quite frankly, many of those kids have shirked the very experience they need, in ensembles and chamber, because they and their teachers ‘look down’ on ensemble playing; likewise many of them have the attitude of ‘soloists’, and don’t work well with others. That world has always been rarified, and these days is even more competitive than it once was, but frankly many music teachers and students don’t recognize that. </p>

<p>I liked what another poster wrote, about what you do outside of playing tells a lot. The kids who live this stuff, who when not playing are going over scores, who actually listen to the music, go to concerts, are fascinated by the theory, love the kinds of things you do in ear training, who listen to a wide range of music, are the ones who are going to make it in music in some way. Recognizing music for what it is, they may not turn their nose up at recording with an indy band, they may not have a problem doing a chamber performance one night and backing a pop group the next. To be honest, if someone narrowly focuses on getting into an orchestra as their ‘goal’ of doing music school, or being a soloist or being a chamber musician, are going to have a hard time, rather then maybe having that goal but being as well prepared as possible to handle anything. </p>

<p>Others pursue other vocations and do music “on the side”, IT is full of people like that, who get their fill of music outside of their day jobs.</p>

<p>Well the first step depends on how good you are. Raw talent. You will know if you make the grade during the first year of college, and what the competition is like. And if you are a science major you are already behind and will need to audition.</p>

<p>Good luck and follow your passion even if it means continuing on a non-professional level. It is one way to be truly happy.</p>

<p>I’m surprised how passionate our DS is about teaching his 4-6th grade students.
Happy, but surprised.</p>

<p>He lives and breathes music and has since age 9. Plays several instruments, attended summer music festivals for many years, all state band, youth symphony, etc.
I never really saw him as a teacher, but glad he did see that in himself.</p>

<p>Of course, it’s now summer and he is crazy busy rehearsing and gigging with 3 groups, playing theatre in the park, going into NYC for rehearsals. So his passion for performing is still evident. </p>

<p>Each student will figure it out if it is in their soul and they “have” to do it to satisfy an internal drive.</p>

<p>Open a recording studio and do freelance recording/mixing/mastering or production. That can gain some decent $, if you can find the right clients.</p>

<p>A few people succeed beyond their wildest dreams. Much attention is paid to them. Some more have limited success/struggle but are able to make a living doing only the musical activity of their choice. Several more stay roughly in the field with a job they didn’t plan on taking (education usually, commercial music, or music-managerial, discounting those who wanted those jobs all along- they have better odds of success, still not stellar). </p>

<p>Many fail altogether to make a living doing music (or choose not to try instead of option three above). Little attention is paid to them. </p>

<p>There are success stories. The <em>odds</em> are against it.</p>

<p>A lot of people do music in different ways. It is true that a lot of people who attempt it end up not doing it, even at all, others often do music as a ‘sideline’, IT is full of people who do music on the side but that is their ‘day job’. Others go on to professional careers, but play in amateur or semi amateur orchestras and such. And yes, becoming a member of a major orchestra, a successful chamber group, or god forbid a soloist, is extremely difficult and a long shot…but on the other hand, success can also be measured by what it brings into someone’s life. I know more than a few ex music majors, people who tried performance, who are doing other things, and other than those who are bitter because they went into it believing they were destined for success and then couldn’t believe it when no one else saw it in them, almost everyone has told me that they were very glad they did what they did, that the experience meant a lot in their lives. They would have loved to make it as a performing musician, but they found happiness with other things, too.</p>