What's this education worth anything?

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<p>What’s this education worth? </p>

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<p>I always thought education open doors of the mind and enable people to come out of the darkness surrounding superstitions.</p>

<p>What’s the value of such an education?</p>

<p>Education should make a person more liberal in the thought process.</p>

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<p>This is not about her thought process, this is not about her education, this is about her observing her faith and I am honestly kind of stunned by this post. You can be observant and smart and open-minded. If she wants to be observant, she is entitled to be. It’s obviously a matter of conscience for her. In our school district, schools are not allowed to hold graduations on Friday night in order to avoid this type of conflict. I don’t see how anything can be extrapolated about her education based on her being observant. It reminds me of when my daughter got to her Ivy League School and some kid, upon hearing an expression of her faith, was genuinely upset that the school had admitted her – as if somehow they’d slipped up and let someone unqualified in. It’s not acceptable to label religious people as uneducated or as being unable to think.</p>

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<p>One thing is clear if you can’t come out of superstitions then you are not educated. You can be considered literate but not educated.</p>

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<p>It’s not a superstition. Orthodox Jews do not use electricity or cars on certain holidays. Would you like to now label all Orthodox Jews as superstitious and uneducated?</p>

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<p>I’m stunned. OP, you may think religion is superstition but a lot of educated people would disagree with you.</p>

<p>Maybe you should consider that education is supposed to make people more tolerant too.</p>

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<p>mimk6: I label all orthodox people as uneducated. </p>

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<p>Tolerance doesn’t mean that I give up my right to point out a flaw.</p>

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<p>I would say that your opinion is flawed.</p>

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<p>When you practice inside the four walls of your home then it’s religion but when it interfare with others or public then it’s superstition.</p>

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<p>How come? Give me one good reason for it.</p>

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<p>How does the student’s decision not to attend a voluntary event on a Friday night because of a personal commitment interfere in any way with others? What does it matter to anyone but herself?</p>

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<p>OP, ha, by your definition Harvard, Yale, Princeton… all the places that inspire your screen name are uneducated. Try to get to their divinity schools.</p>

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<p>ParentofIvyHope-----I am so surprised to read such a post from a man who prides himself on being educated. Have you no understanding of the Jewish faith or of any religion for that matter? You do not need to be religious to understand what faith means, or to appreciate that Judaism is a religion comprised of many laws that many other religions could not even consider adherring to. It is this very part of Judaism that educated non Jews admire about those that choose to practice. I must say that I wonder how you are able to read so many of the classics if you have no understanding of the basics of Judao-Christian understanding. It would be worth it for you to study religion so you can enrich your own understanding of what so many people faithfully follow. There is no superstition in religion and to think so is trully ignorant.</p>

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<p>POIH…I find your post offensive. This has NOTHING to do with superstitions or not being liberal or not being educated!!! This girl is adhering to her religious practices. As an orthodox Jew, she is following laws and ethics of her religion on a religious holiday. Her graduation falls on that holiday and she is not going against her religious practice and laws. Let’s see, do you find an Islamic woman to be uneducated and not liberal because at graduation, she is wearing a head covering under her grad cap? Should she forego it because those of other religions are not wearing a head covering? Should this Orthodox Jew drive or use electricity on a Jewish holiday when it goes against her religious practice? </p>

<p>PLEASE show respect of others’ religious beliefs. They have nothing to do with being well educated or not or being liberal or conservative. I applaud this young woman for standing up for her religious practice and not breaking it due to the school choosing to hold this event on a holiday in her religion. She has found a way to make this work without giving up her religious laws, beliefs, and values. </p>

<p>Frankly, your statement is the one that comes across as uneducated and not liberal!!</p>

<p>(I cross posted with momma-three, and we apparently think similarly on this)</p>

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<p>ParentofIvyHope, there are substantial numbers of observant Jewish students at most of the Ivy League colleges.</p>

<p>Maybe you need to change your screen name.</p>

<p>Like others on this thread, I find your opinions disturbing. For two years in college (an Ivy League college, by the way), I had a roommate who was an observant Jew. She followed a set of rules and principles that didn’t apply to most of those around her, but she did not live in “superstitious darkness.” She was observing the practices of an ancient and highly respected faith.</p>

<p>She accepted and respected the beliefs of others – including the beliefs of less observant Jews who did not follow some of the principles that she did. Why can’t you?</p>

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<p>I had a Harvard friend who baked cookies in the dorm oven and then decided he couldn’t eat them because the oven wasn’t Kosher. I don’t pretend to understand faith, but I do know that guy was one smart guy whatever his religious beliefs were.</p>

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<p>POIH: I will accept the fact that you might live in an area of California that does not have many Orthodox Jewish people there so you do not understand how offensive your post is…</p>

<p>I do not, however, accept the fact that you are still trying to defend your position after many above me in the thread have educated you as to the error</p>

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<p>What I can’t figure out is why on earth would someone start a thread just to insult someone else’s religious values and priorities.</p>

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<p>This thread makes me sad.</p>

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<p>“When you practice inside the four walls of your home then it’s religion but when it interfare with others or public then it’s superstition.”</p>

<p>She is not interfering with anyone else, though. She is not demanding you observe the Sabbath. What harm is she doing to you?</p>

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<p>I just wanted to add that I have many Chinese clients all of whom are Athiests. I respect the fact that they have a right to believe as they do. I still wonder how so many people of a particular group can still claim to be so educated when they have failed to even investigate basic principals and beliefs of mainstream religions. POIH would you consider such a lack of knowledge, uneducated or simply ignornant? I see it as being uneducated because you are choosing to be in the dark about something that is such a big part of so many peoples lives. I would really consider learning about various religions since it seems that you not only find Judaism as superstitious but probably all religions as superstitious. I can’t imagine the type of reading that you do if you come across things that would require you to have a basic knowledge of any religion. As I said before so much of literature makes reference to ideas that are based on religious beliefs. You are really missing something if this aspect of your education is missing. I am not telling you to go out and convert and become a practicing Jew or Christian or any religion, but at least learn why most of the world has a belief system that involves God.</p>