@JustOneDad some people’s financial situations change drastically over a short period of time - and there are many, many people of all income levels who have not fully funded their children’s college educations through savings. Even those who are technically part of the 1%. I am personally aware of 2 families who have told me that they are funding college tuitions through the H’s yearly bonus. Technically they are part of the 1% but what happens if and when that bonus check disappears? Presumably they are left funding tuition through a salary that may be robust by most people’s measure, but does not provide them with unlimited resources.
And if the 1% are expected to “save” for college should the rest of society not have an obligation to make some effort in that regard???
@tiger1307 You do realize that people who by your probable definition fit the category “with money” have children who attend CCs? Our children are raised in a solidly MC home with college educated parents. They just also happen to have parents who cannot afford to pay for college. There is no shame in attending CCs. Goodness, our oldest dd graduated from a CC and her “lowly” degree qualifies her for a fabulous job making significantly more than both the median **household **income for our state and the US.
Mom2aphys, Absolutely. I know families of the physicians (people with money?), who sent their kids to the local college and made sure that they live at home and not in dorm. Because of their superior grades and other stats, these kids were on full tuition Merit at our local unknown low ranked college. Since father was working at the local Med. School (lower ranked), their Med. School also was free. Mom talked to me and she said that they went thru very rough times paying her husband’s student loans and raising family and they did not want the same for kids. That is what normal people “with money” who reached their status “with money” thru their own sweat and blood, that is what they do instead of instructing their kids that they should attend the most expensive colleges and then demand their loans to be forgiven.
I believe what I said was they have the same opportunity to save for college as anyone else. “Ability” was the exact word used. In fact, they have the same “ability” or better by benefit of their higher disposable income.
I didn’t say anything about “expectation” or “obligation”, so I’ll thank you in advance not to misrepresent what I say.
@JustOneDad if taking your statement to it’s logical conclusion is “misrepresenting” what you said then I am guilty as charged. The opposing view in this thread is that the 1% should fund free education. Meaning there is a financial obligation on the part of the 1% but not on anyone else to meet that burden. Those holding that view do not believe they should be contributing to a college fund, they are contending their education should be free - paid for by the 1%.
" I would much rather pay for that than putting more non violent drug offenders in prison.’
again stop the talking points…the choice is not free college or sending non violent drug offenders to prison.
I do not think people who use drugs should go to prison, they need help. (and that help is a long drawn out process, I have no problem trying to get people on drugs off those drugs instead of locking them up)
but that issue is in noway connected to college costs it is a diversion tactic and you know it. (your confusing unrelated issues! it sounds good in a class full of like minded students coming from a professor who has not left the college campus since the vietnam war…people in the real world see right past that stuff)
“I do not think that people without money should be required to go to CC if they are capable of going to a four year institution” so you want it for free from taxpayers or (1%) or something and those free college students should not have to attend a CC to save money? (other peoples money is always fun to spend until you run out!)
let me ask you this? if a couple has a kid and can not afford the child do they first call the 1% 1-800 hotline and say hey I am having a kid and I need you to support my kid …is it ok for me to have the child?
do 1% folk in line at supermarket get to cut in front of people using food stamps and as they are doing that they get a thank you for supporting me? seriously?
of course not.
@HarvestMoon1 <<< And unless you renounced your citizenship, any income generated by those properties would be taxable.<<
I said that those properties would be my vaca homes. They wouldn’t be generating any money. But, even if I were to rent out a few here and there, there probably wouldn’t be any profit.
My point was that rich people have a lot of asset holdings. The idea that all of wealthy people’s wealth is taxable income is silly.
"Please do so. If you are part of the one per cent then I along with tens of millions of other americans are asking you to pay. "
I pay enough in taxes already. We work hard for our money, my spouse employs 20 people and he’s the only revenue source, and I am not an unlimited fund for you.
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It is easy to attack a 20 year old girl It would be nice if some of the posters discussed educational policy .
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I did suggest some solutions to the current situation in a much earlier post.
I don’t see anything wrong with states and the feds getting together to figure out a cheaper way to provide public higher education.
Some ideas:
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free or lower cost local CCs. Perhaps free for those who come in with a certain minimum GPA.
(altho I do agree with another’s post that students should have some “skin in the game,” so maybe have some minimal semester charge.
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public tuition at 4 years shouldn’t be more than $6k per year (and fees can’t be used as fake tuition)
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more/all states adopt a HOPE like system which provides a scholarship to those with certain minimum high schools stats.
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fed loan system should change to an optional:
0 frosh
0 soph
15000** jr
15000** sr
**with maybe some add’l loan amounts (maybe $3k per year) for certain needed majors that have higher associated costs, like eng’g. Graduating with $36k in debt as an eng’g major isn’t terrible.
The above would allow a low income student to go to a local CC for a very low cost, and then go to a state school and have costs covered with a combo of Pell and loans (and probably some work study and summer earnings).
- more programs like Washington’s Running Start where students earn an AA while in HS.
I’d also like to see some sort of “grade forgiveness” for those who had a “rough start,” left school and worked for X years, and then returned.
mom2collegekids…
free or lower cost local CCs…that is a no go. it is free 4 year school and no compromise. (you are being practical)
perhaps you could start a program where in an area they have a shortage of police (any where in the country…you may have to move)
you commit to 5-6 years and after you pass the academy and start working your schooling begins to be covered. yes it would be part time schooling most likely at a local school (oooo the horror…sarcasm)
and if you complete your 5-6 year commitment as an officer you get reimbursed for classes taken and the balance of your BA paid for.
I know there are more people needing $$ than open police officer positions but it is one idea. ( a little sacrifice doing an unthankful job for society for 5-6 years and society pays you back) like the GI bill I guess.
nothing for nothing …
I might be persuaded to pay for “free college education”, but one of the requirements would be that students be gainfully employed at a minimum level during the time they are in school.
There’d be exams and minimum cut off levels. And, students who didn’t make the grade would do national service.
What else would all you free spenders be willing to put on the table in order to get “free education”?
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I agree with that. There’s no reason why students shouldn’t have to put in some “sweat hours” (maybe 8-10 hours a week) to contribute.
I hate seeing posts from low/modest-income kids saying things like, “Do I have to accept work-study? Can I get more grants to cover that amount? I want to be able to enjoy college and not work.” ugh.
I sometimes think that low/modest income kids think no one else is working, so why should they be expected to work. The truth is that many middle/upper-middle class kids have to work to contribute to their college costs.
Programs like this already exist. My last two years of college was covered by the state of Florida under their “critical shortage teacher need” loan program. If I agreed to a two year loan where it was required that I keep a certain GPA and graduate by a certain date, for every year I taught in a critical shortage area a quarter of the loan would be forgiven. I taught special ed in Miami and had my student loan 100% forgiven.
There are these types of scholarships for different fields, I’ve been looking into the Cyber Corps Scholarship as a possibility for my sons in the future.
https://www.sfs.opm.gov/StudFAQ.aspx?#num8
3scoutsmom…that is awesome and a great idea! that is what we need!
AmeriCorps also gives scholarships after the completion of a 2-year (paid) stint.
I think she has a point if you are considering costs . State support for colleges has dropped a lot in the past few decades, but colleges also have done little to control costs too. Her funding plan is absurd and unconstitutional, just confiscate money from wealthy people (because they don’t need it!) . Perhaps she should have said we need to cut prisons, social welfare spending, medicaid, hospitals, state pensions, banning illegals from schools to cut costs, etc… to pay for it … that might be a debate that has some merit. Or even better, legalize pot and tax it to pay for college.
Other countries combine work and schooling - in Argentina most students work 1/2 day and go to school for the remainder. It seems to work OK too.
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@TooOld4School I don’t know how it all works in other countries, but from what I understand, there are some key differences:
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Many have no opportunity to go to college…college bound kids are ID’d early and tracked for college. The rest can’t go.
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Their colleges don’t have “the college experience” that our colleges boast…the fancy gyms, the upscale dorms, etc. If that’s the case, then their mindset better accomodates a work half-day, go to school half-day. Currently, in the US, it’s the married college students that have that philosophy…not really the singles.
The US is expected to spend $763 Billion dollars next year on its military.That is about $500 Billion more than second place China and far more than Russia. We spend $50 Billion a year on Foreign Aid. Our military spending makes up almost 40% of all military spending in the World. Despite all this, we are the only country in North or South America that has been attacked by terrorists. Perhaps if we cut those budgets in half we could still maintain a superpower military yet decrease the cost of education. I know that some people are going to mention what happened in Paris, but think about it, could our military prevent an attack where 5 guys get some guns and start shooting up our cities? Taxing the 1% out of existence will not solve anything. If college is to be free, it should only be for certain majors and only for enough units to get one degree, any courses that need to be repeated are not covered.
http://useconomy.about.com/od/usfederalbudget/p/military_budget.htm
http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending
While at least they are spending some of that money on the GI Bill;-)