<p>If you don’t understand the concept of rape culture, then ask women you know why they can’t walk around at night without fear. Ask the young woman in Steubenville why her rapists got so much more support than she does. I could ask the question in many forms. But I’m done here.</p>
<p>Umm…Mia Farrow’s memoir is pretty much the definition of a less than credible source given the situation. Kind of like looking to a Charlie Sheen memoir to get the truth on Brooke Mueller.</p>
<p>There won’t be corroboration! A pedophile will do things away from other people, and are usually very good at ingratiating themselves to the child and family. </p>
<p>One of the things that made me most angry about those daycare fraudulent cases is that they now give everyone a way to deny the actual reality of abuse-- a great denial card. Especially when someone’s favorite artiste is involved.</p>
<p>I stopped watching his movies when he married his stepdaughter. </p>
<p>Creep.</p>
<p>I’m not an expert on child abuse but I do want to mention that there is a difference between a person who is attracted to young girls (post puberty) and a pedophile who is attracted to children (pre-puberty). I believe (could be wrong and will defer to the experts) that a tendency toward young (even very young) women does not predispose a person to pedophilia. They are separate issues.
I am not saying that WA is innocent of Dylan’s accusations. I’m just saying that his attraction to Sun Yi does not necessarily support an attraction to young children. Nor does it support his innocence.</p>
<p>Garland – One of the things that makes ME most angry about those daycare fraudulent cases are the lives they ruined and the witch hunts they instigated. Dozens and dozens of lives.</p>
<p>And I am no particular fan of Woody Allen or his films. (Or Mia Farrow and her films. Or Ronan Farrow and his TV show. I did rather like Frank Sinatra’s singing.)</p>
<p>I just find the notion that either you buy into the truth of what Dylan has said OR you’re part of the “rape culture” to be a false dichotomy. </p>
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<p>I don’t understand why when a woman claims she has been raped there is almost universal acknowledgement that she must be telling the truth because no woman would want to be known as being raped, but when an adult claims to have been molested as a child, skepticism suddenly arises.</p>
<p>arabarab–yes, of course it’s terrible. At the time I could see and spoke out how ridiculous they were. One happened very near us (Kellie Martin in Maplewood, NJ). the difference between what was alleged there, and a typical acquaintance/relative sexual abuse case is enormous. It’s terrible how people’s lives were affected at that time, but that does not take away the real pain of actual victims in typical cases. </p>
<p>I just don’t understand why, if a woman says she was abused, her word is questioned because it is postulated, with no corroboration, that she must have been coached. Seven year olds have a pretty good clue of what is real and what is not. With no proof, to accept she has no agency in her accusations is an accusation against her.</p>
<p>According to Soon-Yi, the affair with WA started when she was 20 years old. That would be around 1991. <a href=“http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Woody-Allen-on-marriage-to-Soon-Yi:--What-was-the-scandal-/8209443”>http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Woody-Allen-on-marriage-to-Soon-Yi:--What-was-the-scandal-/8209443</a></p>
<p>WA and Mia adopted Dylan and Moses on December 1991. Mia found out about the affair on January 1992 when she saw nude photos of Soon-Yi at WA’s apartment. I find it extremely disturbing for WA to agree to adopt children with Mia while he was sneaking around having an affair with the sister of his soon-to-be children.</p>
<p>I saw a couple of “family” photos presumably taken in 1987 and 1988 with WA, Mia and Soon-Yi. Soon-Yi was probably 16, 17 or 18 depending on the month and year the photos were taken since her birthday is October. Makes me wonder if he was waiting eagerly for her to come off age and take advantage of her gullibility. Maybe, I’m wrong. Maybe Soon-Yi knew what she was getting into when she started having sex with her mom’s 56-year-old bf but I feel a decent man would have backed off from the relationship from both Mia and Soon-Yi instead of entangling himself in both relationships. </p>
<p>1992 Vanity Fair article “Mia’s Story”</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/archive/1992/11/farrow199211”>http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/archive/1992/11/farrow199211</a></p>
<p>I’ve followed this thread and don’t think it’s been referenced, but my apologies if it has. </p>
<p>Mia Farrow had an affair with Sinatra when she was 21, a year older than Soon-Yi. Not saying WA and Soon-Yi’s relationship was really appropriate, but they have been married for a long time, clearly way past Soon-Yi’s youthful look. I hope Mia is very certain about what she is accusing of WA, or she has done a real disservice to her kids. I am for one am not convinced WA is actually guilty of all those accusations.</p>
<p>Oh, I love WA’s movies, and my favorite was “Everything you wanted to know about sex, but afraid to ask.” I saw it when I was in college, and I thought it was hysterical.</p>
<p>So, I read the article. Mia sounds like a nutcase. Respectfully. And, Woody appears to be a creep. Neither of them should be parents. All of the kids lose.</p>
<p>Garland – because there has been a fair amount of research showing how susceptible children are to accepting suggestions and internalizing them as memories. One of the consequences of the multitude of false accusations from the 80’s and 90’s is better agreement on ways to interview children – and having the mom who is involved in a nasty custody battle coach a kid through various takes of a video recording is pretty far from the suggested approach. </p>
<p>Then there is Moses. “Moses Farrow, now 36, and an accomplished photographer, has been estranged from Mia for several years. During a recent conversation, he spoke of “finally seeing the reality” of Frog Hollow and used the term “brainwashing” without hesitation. He recently reestablished contact with Allen and is currently enjoying a renewed relationship with him and Soon-Yi.”</p>
<p>This doesn’t look black and white to me the way the Polanski case did. </p>
<p>I don’t think you can compare the dynamics of the WA-MF-Soon-Yi relationship with FS-MF.</p>
<p>Honestly, I really don’t know what to think after reading the articles posted on this thread. The problem is that there is really no unbiased source to go to in an attempt to form an unprejudiced opinion. I am not precisely sure what Dylan actually accused him of doing. I believe she was examined by a physician. Has that report ever been shared outside the family? Was he an unbiased physician with loyalties to neither Mia or Woody?</p>
<p>Woody Allen had a lot of clout in his heyday. He was considered avant garde and was worshipped by the those that wanted to be part of the intellectual crowd. I used to find the never ending discussions of the hidden meanings in his movies irritating. Clearly both he and Mia lived on the edge and this probably is not the best environment in which to raise children. Both Allen and Mia seemed incredibly self-absorbed to me, perhaps bordering on narcissistic. Allen is so far removed from any man that I have ever known, that I cannot even pretend to understand his psyche. </p>
<p>Something I do find fascinatingly odd about this situation - It is very, very typical for children who are victims of abuse to blame the mother who failed to protect them. it’s almost primal. The whole thing is just sick. And, why bring it up now again? Because he won an award and they just want to remind people that he’s a pervert . Did anyone forget? </p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>Believe her, believe him. Whatever. </p>
<p>People do heal in different ways. Dylan is trying to get closure, it seems. </p>
<p>Well, an accusatory NYT editorial is an odd way to get closure 20 years later. But, whatever.</p>