<p>But if she has not let it go after 20 years then it appears more credible to me. If she was in fact influenced by her mother, but nothing really happened, don’t you think she would have let it go by now? She has her own family now and one would think that pleasing her mother would be far less important. Very confusing case. </p>
<p>Oh, I think she believes it. That entire dysfunctional household is impossible to relate to in any way. Lovers. Lies. Drugs. Alcohol. Therapists for everyone. And, way too many kids. Good grief. I’d be surprised if any of them really know what’s true, anymore. </p>
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This is not really an argument–it’s rather a smart PR move. If there is a “rape culture,” then any questioning of any accusation of rape or abuse is just another aspect of the rape culture. These kinds of PR terms are very effective (“homophobia” and “death tax” are two more examples).</p>
<p>I don’t dispute that people may resist believing certain kinds of accusations. But that doesn’t mean that all such accusations are necessarily founded on reality.</p>
<p>It’s absolutely nonsense to say that the Woody/Dylan case is the same as a drunk girl rape case. </p>
<p>First, legally, an idea that gets forgotten is that “incapacity vitiates consent”, which means that you can’t consent if you’re impaired. This gets lost in the idiocy of people trying to excuse bad behavior, often criminal behavior committed on an impaired person. You can’t legally consent when you’re incapacitated. An issue of consent is vastly, unimaginably different from not knowing what happened. No one would think a 7 year old can consent legally to anything. The entire issue is what happened. </p>
<p>Second, the main part of “rape culture” is that it punishes women for behavior that’s separate from sexual assault. That is, a woman is considered as “getting what she was asking for” or “deserved” if she gets drunk, if she goes into a room with some guys, if she gets in a car with some guys who have been drinking (even if she’s sober). That these choices get balled up with the sexual assault shows exactly what rape culture is: the oppression of women by men and the defending of men by women who buy into male dominance. (I say that as a man.) It’s about power in a perverse way: a woman is held to standards that men aren’t and men are excused from hurting women when the same actions against a man would not be excused. I always say: imagine an ordinary guy gets drunk at a party and wakes up to find a bunch of guys have sodomized him or taken pictures of him having oral sex … and then imagine these get passed around on phones. I think nearly everyone would agree the criminal justice system would crush the offenders as rapists because that’s something we find intolerable, that most people would say is an abomination … except it’s exactly what we tolerate happening to a woman. </p>
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<p>+1, otherwise George Clooney would be suspect. Everyone has a personal scale of how they react to someone being intimate with someone considerably younger. Say a 20 year old: being with another 20 year old is completely normal, being with a 90 year old is probably considered disgusting by most. Everyone has different ages at which an eyebrow would go up, at which you’d consider it off-putting, at which you would not want to share a meal with them. </p>
<p>There is no corresponding continuum of reaction to raping a 7 year old. I do not know what WA did or did not do, but his preferring younger women is orthogonal to that question, just as it is for George Clooney. </p>
<p>The fact that these charges were raised only in the midst of his running off with Soon Yi raises some questions. I also agree with those who say Mia appears to be equally crazy. Toss up.</p>
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Mia Farrow was 35 when they got together.</p>
<p>Soon-Yi is now 42, and they are still married.</p>
<p>Hardly seems like he has a predilection for very young women. Sometimes a May-December romance works.</p>
<p>Maybe the May-December romance works, but it will always be creepy (to me at least) for a man to court the young-adult daughter of his long-term lover.</p>
<p>It’s definitely Jerry Springer material.</p>
<p><a href=“Dylan Farrow's Brother Moses Defends Woody Allen”>http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20783306,00.html</a></p>
<p>Interesting comments from Moses, Dylan’s brother. </p>
<p>“I don’t know if my sister really believes she was molested or is trying to please her mother. Pleasing my mother was very powerful motivation because to be on her wrong side was horrible.” </p>
<p>“From an early age, my mother demanded obedience and I was often hit as a child. She went into unbridled rages if we angered her, which was intimidating at the very least and often horrifying, leaving us not knowing what she would do.” </p>
<p>“I don’t know where he gets this about getting beaten,” counters Dylan. “We were sent to our rooms sometimes.” </p>
<p>Hmmm, that is an interesting comment from Moses. But there are so many children, wondering what they have to say. The whole family environment sounds like a nightmare to me. </p>
<p>So Dylan is saying Moses is lying about being hit? The irony…</p>
<p>Given the definite instability of that household, how in the world was Mia Farrow allowed to adopt NINE children.<br>
As always a different set of rules for famous people. </p>
<p>Also weird that she kept changing their names. Ronan used to be “Satchel” as far as I recall, and Dylan spent a few years as “Eliza” and then as “Malone”. What is the purpose of that?</p>
<p>She is crazy?</p>
<p>deleted, wrong thread.</p>
<p>It is important to distinguish skepticism about Dylan’s version of the facts from accusing her of lying or exaggeration, or even of being crazy or confused.</p>
<p>I think there are two possibilities here: WA sexually assaulted Dylan when she was 7, or Dylan suffered some other combination of mistreatment from one or both parents (and perhaps also many doctors, lawyers, and the justice system) that created this reality for her.</p>
<p>I don’t think there’s any real chance that Dylan is making this up or lying. She is telling the truth as she knows it. She is definitely a victim of abuse. But I don’t think we can know for sure what kind, or when, or by how many people. </p>
<p>I believe strongly that rape culture is real, that it’s a terrible problem in our society, and that the above is not an expression of it.</p>
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If changing kids’ names is crazy then what do you call a man who takes nude photos and enters a sexual relationship with his kids’ sister? I think it’s beyond odd that he did not think this act will have no psychological impact on his kids. He is probably wondering what the fuss is all about. The freaky thing is he was a part of Soon-Yi’s childhood. It doesn’t matter if he didn’t have a close relationship with Soon-Yi. WA, as an adult in the Mia household, was seen by the Farrow children as an authoritative figure. Well, I guess I’d like to think so because when I was young, I was polite to any adult. If I start giggling during mass, an evil eye from any adult is an effective mute button for me.</p>
<p>Not many people see the WA-MF-Soon-Yi dynamics as beyond odd because why bring up example of May-December affairs like George Clooney and whoever young woman he is dating. Was Clooney dating Stacy’s mom while Stacy was a minor and as soon as she became a young adult he decided it was cool to be dating mom and daughter at the same time? </p>
<p>The whole family was completely dysfunctional. We will never know the truth. Her motivation doesn’t make her accusations any more or less true. Personally, I think she believes what she is saying. Doesn’t make it true. I also think all of them have big problems.</p>
<p>Who says Mia changed their names? I know plenty of kids - living in SANE, happy families - that either changed their names or the spelling of their names at some point. </p>