Have to wonder if the employment options will be limited for the unvaccinated folks. Suspect they will have a hard time getting a job in healthcare. Recall many times we had to have Tb tests, and one time a patient was dx with Hep A (IIRC) and those of use who had been in close proximity had the pleasure of getting an immunoglobulin shot in the hip/gluteal area. Not fun.
I heard (haha) someone say it isn’t really herd immunity, it’s herd protection. So if you don’t want the herd protection, get out of the herd! No more public places, crowded places, cities, movie theaters, airplanes, etc. We all have a civic duty to our herd.
Yep. Again, it is not about science or reason, it is about control. They feel helpless to protect their children and seize on this issue (and/or others) as a way of asserting control. Even if they make their children less safe, the feel like they have made their children safe and that is what really matters.
DS had chicken pox when he was 11 months old. So we didn’t vaccinate him. Then when he was ready to go to college they said he either had to be tested for proof of antibodies or vaccinated. His current doctor told us that in his experience and he’s in his 60’s that about half the kids that had chicken pox as a baby were not immune and that even if he did have the antibodies it would basically just like a booster shot. We had him take the shots. So I’m wondering if measles is the same way and some of the older people that had it before the vaccine became available might not be immune to it any more.
My D1 also had the shot even though she had had chicken pox. She was a nursing student and they wanted a blood test for proof, they wouldn’t take the word of our pediatrician that she had had the disease. D1 decided it was easier to just get the vaccine and then she wouldn’t have to wait for bloodwork results.
Guess what? Neither of our kids exploded from that either!
Measles immunity is life long for those who have had the disease, but those who were vaccinated as children, need boosters I believe.
Well, here ya go…
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/asm/ab_0451-0500/ab_499_bill_20111009_chaptered.html
Looks like little Suzie or little Johnny can ask their teacher to take them to get vaccinated…If the 12 year old is capable (per the State of CA) to ask for sexual health care - including abortion - then just have the teacher take a field trip and get the little guys vaccinated on the way to PPH
Problem solved ?
Yes. Assuming you’re not one of the nearly 150k people who die from Measles every year, if you contract it and survive you will have immunity for life.
Personally, I’d take my odds with the shot and boosters.
What are you talking about, dietz? That is only for things like HPV vaccine, not MMR.
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Mumps, Measles Rubella, TB…all need to be reported to the local health authorities and thus would fall under this ruling.
Field trips to the immunization clinic,… whoo has
400 people died every year from Measles * without* a vaccine, are you saying *with *the vaccine 150,000 die every year now?
Sorry, I wasn’t clear you were speaking of * world wide*.
Although I expect that some of the deaths may not actually attributable to a single cause.
My kids’ pediatrician is fairly conservative about treatments, so when the chicken pox vaccine first came out she recommended that we not immediately have our kids inoculated, but wait until we had more information about adverse reactions to the vaccine. When we returned the next year for out kids’ physicals she had changed her mind and said their practice was now recommending all eligible kids have the shot. The reason? There had been 3 local cases of necrotizing fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) secondary to chicken pox, one of whom was in a patient from their practice. That child had required over 200 stitches to close an enormous wound in her belly. Another child was in danger of losing a leg.
emeraldkity- 400 annual US deaths pre-vaccine. 150K annual worldwide deaths currently.
Not liking the “flesh eating bacteria” but pointing out that it’s not necessarily fun and games.
I understand about not vaccinating too young.
But to inoculate all infants three x, at birth, one month and six months, for a disease that is transmitted through body fluid and the primary people at risk are adult intervenous drug users, doesn’t seem like the best use of resources.
Mothers are tested during pregnancy for HBV, so I would go along with those infants being immunized, but to give every single other baby a shot at birth and two mores times by six months, seems like it may benefit Merck more than the babies if they aren’t assured immunity.
150k deaths (vast majority) without ever receiving a vaccine.
My point was I’d rather get the vaccine and boosters as my immunity than risk being one of the ~150k who die every year without the vaccine (and being immunized if I survive).
@emeraldkity4 - You do have a point about the Hep-B for educated families who aren’t going to disappear after birth and never see a doctor again.
We explained to our pediatrician that we were going to be coming for every well-child visit and were in favor of all recommended vaccinations but that as HBV-negative (and vaccinated) parents, we were going to wait past newborn age to get the HBV shots. For two of our babies, they were having various health issues that necessitated so many needles that I thought it was reasonable to put the snooze button on a few more pokes for a few months.
Our doctor, very mainstream, gave us zero trouble, and we got our kids HBV shots in toddler-hood (I believe when they were in daycare rooms that seemed to have enough kids, with enough teeth, that a potential for a bite etc. existed - which honestly is probably still a really tiny risk, if any, for Hep-B).
In another discussion, we requested the HPV series for our pre-teen boys even though at the time only girls were on the docket for it, and again, they accommodated with no trouble.
And for our oldest, for whom the chicken pox vaccine was offered but not mandated yet, we delayed until Kindergarten when it was more highly recommended. And as soon as it was, we didn’t hesitate! More research was coming out about side effects, Shingles, etc.
I don’t think that conversations like these are problematic; they should be encouraged. It’s not at all the same as doctor shopping or nonsense about “pure children” which kind of shocked me to read, I will admit.
I think I did have a Measles booster shot in college and DH remembers getting one in HS (TX) during an outbreak, right at school. But the shot I have gotten most often seems to have been H1N1 - I got the stupid disease (OMG they weren’t kidding with “aches and pains”) and then got the shot “just in case” and then it was bundled with I think the next two years of influenza vaccines. I’m like the most H1N1-resistant person in the world now. 
You may want to check with your doctor if the nasal spray vaccine poses the same risk of reaction for you.
Ummm, isn’t the risk group for HBV those newborns whose mothers have HBV (rather than HIV, although that can also be transmitted the same way) infections (known or not detected during pregnancy)? Mother to newborn transmission of HBV does occur, and HBV infection as an infant does increase the risk of the infection being chronic (i.e. lifetime, with attendant increased risk of liver cancer and other liver problems).
Some transmission of HBV also occurs in early childhood, probably from close contact with infected family members or caretakers (not necessarily the mother). The risk of chronic infection stays high until about 5 years of age. Giving the first dose within 12 hours of birth also protects against transmission from infected mothers, whose status isn’t always known. Btw hepatitis B is a lot more contagious than HIV.