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<p>Her persistence is fascinating.</p>
<p>Does Obama have total number of needed delegates?</p>
<p>And has everyone had the opportunity to vote in the primary yet? </p>
<p>And have they figured out a way not to disenfranchise the voters of Michigan and Florida? </p>
<p>And what about the members of the military who had no way to vote in the primary caucuses?</p>
<p>And what about the folks who could not vote because the caucuses were scheduled when they could not get off work?</p>
<p>And what about those who think that every vote should count?</p>
<p>I don’t remember the democratic party telling Ted Kennedy in 1980 or Hart in 1984 that they should drop out of the primaries; and they were a whole lot further behind than clinton is.</p>
<p>The more I hear how Hillary should drop out or how Obama should drop out, the more it makes me believe that the democrats are scared. They are so scared that McCain is going to win, that they are trying to have more time with Obama trying to get back the democratic base and Hillary supporters.</p>
<p>If Obama cares so much about the party and the country, maybe he should bow out. Wouldn’t that also help give time for the party to gather back their supporters? He’s only 46; he could easily run again in 4 or 8 years.</p>
<p>Personally, I don’'t think that either one should drop out. You don’t end a baseball game in the 7th inning because one team is winning. There is a mercy rule. If Obama was up by 400-500 delegates; like against Ted Kennedy and Hart; then I could understand trying to get the other delegate to concede. Hillary is only down by 130 delegates. That, as well as the super-delegates, could easily change. Definitely sounds like fear.</p>
<p>Hopefully, after her second term in office.</p>
<p>While I don’t plan on voting for her. (a walmart history thing I have trouble with) I wouldn’t want her to quit until it’s done. The reason? IF she ends her campain, they’ll just call her a “quiter” and criticise that move anyway. She’s damned if she does and damned if she don’t. </p>
<p>She should fight on as long as she wants. There’s actual no real harm in it, just media “harm”.</p>
<p>I don’t want either to drop out. My state has not even voted. I wish all the primaries were at the same (or close to) time. It seems many of us never get any say in who represents the parties.</p>
<p>"Clinton Denies Saying Obama ‘Cannot Win’; Aides Dispute Question</p>
<p>April 03, 2008 4:42 PM</p>
<p>ABC News Eloise Harper Reports: Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., denies she told Governor Bill Richardson, D-N.M., that her Democratic nomination rival, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., “cannot win” a general election against presumptive Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.</p>
<p>“That’s a no,” Clinton, D-N.Y., told reporters at the end of a press conference in Burbank, California, when asked if she made the comment in a private conversation with Richardson.</p>
<p>“We have been going back and forth in this campaign of who said what to whom and let me say this, that I don’t talk about private conversations but I have consistently made the case that I can win,” she said earlier in the press conference.</p>
<p>Clinton aides now insist the Senator misunderstood the question, asserting the candidate believed she was answering whether or not she would discuss a private conversation."</p>
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<p>She may not have to quit… She is getting caught in so many lies that she won’t have to quit. The race will soon be over for her and Bill… :eek:</p>
<p>The arguments for Clinton to stay in the race–letting everyone who wants to vote have the opportunity to vote–should apply to the Republicans. But no one seems to have objected when Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee reckoned the odds and decided to quit, leaving their supporters in the remaining primaries without a chance to vote in their favor. That is the more usual scenario than a duel until convention time.</p>
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<p>Indeed, Hillary’s courage equates to plenty of benefits for the future of our country. The RNC should consider making her a loan to pay her unpaid bills and helping her stay in the fight to the bitter end.</p>
<p>Not that I care much about US politics (I am against violence), but does anybody seriously think McCain has a chance in 2008? McCain is ridiculed by the left and the right, and turnouts for voting were much much higher for the democrats in the primaries.</p>
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<p>This election was given to the Democrats…to lose. At the rate they are going, McCain has a great chance of winning. he’s already talking about the presidential election. The Dems are still trying to get past the primaries.</p>
<p>Someone else posted here…“President McCain…get used to it”. I’m beginning to agree…even though I won’t be voting for him.</p>
<p>Hillary will likely never give up. She is completely self focused and self absorbed. She is convinced that the presidency is her destiny and that she is somehow entitled to it. She is befuddled if not outraged that this upstart Obama is stealing her apparent birth right and she will do or say anything to steal it back from him by any means necessary.</p>
<p>Her only hope is for Obama to suffer some major catastrophe, even if she or her surrogates have to create that catastrophe. To that end it is apparent she is more than happy to destroy Obama in the primary process and allow, if not assist, McCain to win so she can give it another shot in 2012, as she knows waiting for 2016 is unrealistic (even in her fantasy world).</p>
<p>The woman has lied about Bosnia, lied about her involvement w/ the SChip legislation, lied about her involvement with the N. Ireland accords, all to the point it would not appear she can any longer tell fact from fiction, but that distinction hardly seems to matter to her.</p>
<p>It is most telling that those that know her best (Richardson, Leahy, etc.) have thrown their support to Obama. She is faltering in raising money, isn’t paying campaign bills, has had to loan herself money, won’t disclose her taxes, but she’s ready on day one, as long as everything happens at 3 a.m.
and remains and will remain undeterred.</p>
<p>Obama lies just as much as other politicians. For some reason though, nobody notices this.</p>
<p>I thought they had a convention in the summer to determine who will be a party’s presidential candidate in November. A lot can happen between now and then. Premature to quit, look at political history for all sorts of surprises.</p>
<p>Absolutely correct that there is a convention upcoming and at least recent history tells that when the candidate is not chosen until that convention, that party loses more often than not.</p>
<p>Hillary Clinton is the only one who is truly a tough politian and a fighter. McCain is a wimp. Obama is a little better than McCain. The harder Clinton fights the more credibility she has to justify her being President.</p>
<p>Hopefully, after I vote Obama on the 22nd, Hillary will drop out-I think her run is over. Come November, I’ll go McCain all the way (too bad Romney dropped out :()</p>
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<p>If you want McCain to win, wouldn’t it make more sense to vote Clinton to prolong the fight for the democratic nomination?</p>
<p>marite: If you kept track of the math, you would know why the other republicans dropped out. Gulianni put all his money in a couple states and blew it. Romney Had to use too much of his money. And McCain already had the required amount of delegates for the nomination when Huckabee got out. Unless you think Huckabee was suppose to stay in even though the other candidate already had the majority of delegates?</p>
<p>afruff23; McCain has more than a chance to win. In many of the polls, it has McCain ahead of both Obama and Clinton. You are correct however that Obama lies and such just like every other politician but his fans don’t see it. See, most of Obama’s fans hate Bush and the republicans so much… and for some reason despise hillary so much… that that they are willing to overlook anything Obama says or does. They could prove that Obama is a true blue racist and it wouldn’t matter to his fans. They’d say it was all lies. They could show that Obama was involved with prostitution, and it wouldn’t matter to his fans. They’d come up with excuses. This is a very common reaction. They HATE the other side more than they like their candidate. They aren’t voting FOR something, they are voting AGAINST something. This is very common. You can tell because a person is voting for or supporting someone/something is still will to recognize the faults and weaknesses. Those who are voting AGAINST someone/something will fight till the death that their side is perfect. They won’t acknowledge any faults.</p>
<p>Because of Bush’s low approval rating and the war in the middle east, the Republican party basically gave this election up to the democrats. I truly believe this, and they had no desire to actually try and beat the democrats. They were willing to let them have the presidency and try and take it back in 4 years. They let whoever run who wanted to. What the republicans didn’t plan on was Obama and Clinton being the last 2 standing and fighting this out between each other. They keep bringing up dirt on each other and the republicans just sit there totally amazed. Now that the 2 of them are destroying each other, the republicans think they may actually have a chance here. Of course if they had known this in the beginning, they probably would have organized themselves better.</p>
<p>Anyway; McCain can most definitely win. It just depends which one of the democrats it’s going to be.</p>