when you go to the dr.

<p>I hate to go to the dr. because I have vague general complaints- even though they are often (avg 1 day a week- sometimes more some less) incapacitating- stomachache/nausea/head ache/extreme tiredness/pain/dizziness.
I used to be strong & have a lot of energy- but now I just feel like crap & it is wearing me down.</p>

<p>Whenever I go to the dr- which isn’t often, although since I have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia/osteoporosis, I have blood tests for vitamin D every 6 months or so.
( I was prescribed trazodone for pain, but since it gives me a headache and usually doesn’t make me sleep any better- I rarely take it-)</p>

<p>I admit I haven’t had a physical for years, although they check my blood pressure ( which is fine), but they never can find anything and I can’t make myself stress how crappy I feel.</p>

<p>I don’t think Drs are gods- & I know they are not mind readers- but how do you advocate for yourself when you have a nagging suspicion something else is going on & get taken seriously?</p>

<p>I have had that feeling - not being taken seriously. I have had 4 different ‘regular’ doctors over the past 10 years. One of them ignored my symptoms until I was hospitalized. The next one I liked, but he left the practice and I had to switch again. I have recently discovered that my problem of 10 years ago has come back. Your symptoms could be a lot of things; they mirror my own, which is a pituitary tumor. My hormone levels are all showing normal, but an MRI of my head showed the problem. If your doc isn’t listening, try another.</p>

<p>You might feel better going if you keep a log for several weeks of specifics. Then you can say how many days you had a given problem, same day or different days, if it incapacitated you for the day, etc.</p>

<p>I know that feeling… I am having a hard time discerning what is just normal aging stuff, and what might be “something else”. Dr. just prescribed whopping doses of vitamin D for me after a low blood test, and also more iron. I must say, I already started increasing my iron intake several weeks ago (right before the test), and I have felt better in general.</p>

<p>Dr. did the blood test after I went in for an ob/gyn checkup (and mammo), and told her I was having trouble giving blood (anemia), which is a new problem for me. Nothing wrong with getting a physical (and you probably ought to be getting an annaul pap anyway). My ob/gyn will give a general physical along with the exam, which saves time of from work and copays :)</p>

<p>Would you consider seeing a naturopath? I suggest this not from personal experience from from a friends. She was having hard-to-pin-down symptoms for years. I think MD’s in general treat symptoms and when they are vague, you are given meds. In her case, the doctor discovered a hormonal imbalance and she is a new person - no prescription meds involved. I’d always go with a recommendation from someone you trust. Best to you!</p>

<p>I have developed an aversion to doctors in the last several years. I have had some bad advice that has caused me some issues ( thankfully , nothing too serious ) there is nothing more frustrating than not being taken serious when it comes to your doc…I have an old friend that I recently came back into contact with that is battling Lyme disease…all the years of mis-diagnosis has taken it’s toll, both physically and mentally on her. I am shocked at the way she is now…and my sister has been having a lot of health issues that are unexplained. Sometimes, you have to be your own advocate and take matters into your own hands , though that isn’t easy when obstacles are put in the way</p>

<p>Why haven’t you asked for a physical with a complete blood workup, etc.?</p>

<p>^How unfortunate that you would have to ask for a physical. Your doctor should be asking YOU when was the last time you had one!</p>

<p>True, but OP says she hasn’t had one, and we don’t know whether the doctor has ordered one but OP was scared to get it or she didn’t have insurance and couldn’t afford one or what the situation is. I’d start wtih a thorough physical and go from there. Also, keep a log of when you’re feeling what, what you’re eating, etc. I have a friend with chronic headaches who’s had a lot of success cutting out gluten, for instance. If you can try to make some connections for the doctor, it will help him/her help you.</p>

<p>Several MDs I know would tell you that it’s hard to take a decent history, and that some doctors are just never very good at it. I agree that a log of symptoms can help a lot - it may even allow you to see a pattern before you go for your appointment.</p>

<p>I remember reading an article a few years ago about how patients often delay bringing up their major questions or concern until they’re feeling comfortable during an exam. But the MD has to keep things moving along (as those of us who routinely wait more than half an hour in the waiting room would like them to do) and would certainly rather discuss the most important symptoms or problems first.</p>

<p>ek, how would it be to find a new MD and start from scratch? Don’t know if your current insurance plan makes that a possibility. But that way you’d have to complete a new history form (really make it detailed), and you’d know that the MD has you booked in for a longer than usual office visit.</p>

<p>I’ve found that I get better results with my primary care doctor when I type up a (no more than one page, double spaced, 12 pt. font) summary of my symptoms, with a timeline or log showing frequency or duration. I include brief reminders of all of the meds I cannot take, past adverse reactions, and anything in my medical history (such as prior surgeries) that might be pertinent. I include a few questions based on what I read on reputable sites such as the Mayo Clinic’s or one for my specific health problem. </p>

<p>I also spell out how far from normal, for me, my problems are, such as: “I previously experienced no discomfort from climbing the stairs in our home 8 - 10X/day, but now I have knee pain if I take the stairs more than once a day.” Or, “I’m typically in control of my emotions, but for the past month I have often felt very anxious and have cried over little things 3 - 5X/wk. My sleep has been disrupted most nights and I’m often too tired to manage my daily routine.” </p>

<p>We’ve moved a bit, and changing doctors has always been a pain. I always take in my own medical history summary in addition to filling out the doctor’s forms, and it seems that the doctors pay more attention when I do. </p>

<p>I hope you get the medical help you need soon. Good luck!</p>

<p>EK,
All of the symptoms you’ve described sound consistent with fibromyalgia. (You may recall that I was diagnosed with the condition 1 1/2 years ago.) You may need to find a new doctor who’ll take you seriously and work with you to find a treatment that works.</p>

<p>I’ll tell you a bit about my personal experience. I injured my upper back 5 1/2 years ago. That led to constant neck and upper back pain. At first I was sure that the continuing pain, particularly the neck pain, was a result of bad chiropractic treatment. I stopped seeing the chiropractor after 11 months of adjustments. My pain was tolerable without any medication. I woke up stiff and sore every morning (classic FM), but I always felt better after I started moving around. I sometimes had trouble falling asleep because I couldn’t get comfortable, but using my heating pad usually helped. I was functioning well for the 1st 3 years after my injury. I was exercising and felt well rested most of the time. I kept looking for an explanation for my continuing pain. I read about FM, but decided that couldn’t be my problem because I didn’t believe I had any tenderness at any of the 18 tender points that are the old diagnostic criteria for FM.</p>

<p>About 2 1/2 years ago, my health went on a downhill slide. I was cold most of the time and had absolutely no energy. My heartrate would slow to 45 beats per minute multiple times every day. I was convinced that I had a thyroid problem. Because of a combination of not wanting to have to pay the full cost of several trips to the doctor - I had Blue Cross/Blue Shield at the time - and feeling depressed and lethargic due to my health, it took me several months (9 to be exact) before I finally decided that I HAD to see a doctor. When I attempted to make an appointment at the beginning of February, I was told there was nothing available in Feb., nothing in March, and nothing in April. I was further told that the calendar for May was not yet available on their computer and that I would need to wait until the beginning of May to call back. I hung up the phone and cried. The clerk I talked to at the doctor’s office had no idea how desperate I had to feel to even pick up the phone and try to make an appointment. She should have been concerned when I told her that my heartrate was as slow as 44 and gotten me in immediately, but I guess it’s to much to ask that personnel in a doctor’s office have any intelligence.</p>

<p>About a month later I finally mustered the energy to do an internet search for a new doctor. I’d decided I wanted a 40ish or 50ish female physician. The first dozen or so doctors I called were either not taking new patients or did research only. I finally found a nearby doctor who fit the bill and who was accepting new patients. All was going well until the clerk asked if I had been seeing anyone else in the area. I told her that I’d been seen occasionally over the years at ** in my town. I was informed that since their office was affiliated with that practice, I had to call them to get permission to see any of the doctors in their office! I was very angry and disheartened. I hung up and decided that the fates obviously did not want me to get treated.</p>

<p>It took me another couple of weeks before I decided that I would call my old doctor’s office back and just ask to come in for a blood test instead of reciting the laundry list of symptoms I’d been experiencing. I was given an appt. in mid-April with the physicians assistant. It only took me 2 1/2 months after my initial call to get in to see someone! I told the PA about many of my symptoms, including the extremely slow heartrate. He got very excited about that and told the staff that they had to squeeze me in with one of the doctors immediately. I was put it as an emergency case 6 days later. A thyroid test was run that day.</p>

<p>The doctor, a fairly new 30ish female in the practice, was very nice. I went in with a written list of symptoms, including my basal body temps over a 2 week period, and a 3 day list of my activities when I noticed the slow heartrate. The doctor told me that my thyroid tests came back normal. She then told me that she thought I had FM. We discussed it. I’ll admit that I wasn’t entirely convinced, but I told her that I was certainly willing to try a course of Cymbalta to see if that helped. She laughed and showed me that she’d already written a prescription for that drug. I was given a Holter monitor to wear for 24 hours to monitor my heartrate.</p>

<p>Within a week, I felt my energy level improving. The Holter monitor showed that my heart was indeed slowing multiple times per day and was also sometimes racing. I got referred to a cardiologist. I’ll spare you the details. After lots of expensive tests, I was told that my heart is normal. The slow heartbeats I was feeling were premature ventricular contractions, or PVCs. Everyone has them, I was just having many more than most. I noticed that once I was put on Cymbalta and was sleeping more normally, the PVCs virtually disappeared. The cardiologist agreed that I was probably right in concluding that my PVCs were triggered by exhaustion. I eventualy learned in my research on FM, that wacky heart rhythms are common in FM patients.</p>

<p>I wish I could say that my trouble with FM ended after being given a prescription for Cymbalta. Unfortunately, I learned after finishing the free trial package of Cymbalta the doctor gave me and finishing the free one month supply I got from an online coupon that the drug was going to cost me over $100.00 oer month. At the time we were still paying college expenses for DD. I asked to be switched to another SNRI, venlafaxine, the generic for Effexor. I hoped that venlafaxine would be similar enough to Cymbalta to work for me. It was completely ineffectual for my FM related sleep disorder. Over the course of the next 3 months all of my symptoms returned. The only thing venlafaxine did for me was raise my blood pressure! Fourteen months ago I decided I just couldn’t live with the fatigue any longer. I asked to be switched to the newest FM drug, Savella. It was expensive, but less costly than Cymbalta. Savella helped somewhat, but I thought that I didn’t have as much energy as I did during the 6 weeks I was on Cymbalta. H and I decided that it was time to put me back on his health insurance plan. I switched to his plan in January. As usual for me when I’m suffering the effects of FM exhaustion, it took me several months to get up the energy to do something about going back on Cymbalta. I saw a notice in May for a FM study at the U. of Cincinnati. It was an interview and survey-type study, not a drug trial, but I got to speak with one of the country’s leading FM researchers. She convinced me that it would be good to see her associate who runs a FM clinic. I weaned myself off of Savella and asked the FM doctor to put me back on Cymbalta.</p>

<p>My dose of Cymbalta went from 30 mg per day, to 60mg, and by the end of the summer, 90 mg. I’ve tried various other drugs along with the 3 different anti-depressants I’ve taken. I’ve taken tramadol, a pain med; cyclobenzaprine, a muscle relaxer that I refer to as fat pills; and gabapentin (Neurontin), an anti-seizure med used to help with sleep issues. None of them worked well for me. I finally learned that taking extended-release acetaminophen at bedtime along with my daily Cymbalta works for me. My sleep seems to be pretty normal now. I wake with less pain and stiffness thanks to the 2 meds. The extended-release acetaminophen is great because it lasts for 8 hours. If I am feeling particularly sore or stiff at bedtime, I use my heating pad to relax. I’m starting to feel almost normal again after a very difficult 2 1/2 years.</p>

<p>Hitting upon the right treatment for FM is very much trial and error. You need a doctor who’s willing to work with you and treats you seriously. Your symptoms are not in your head! Do some research on FM and consider joining a support group. I hope that you’ll soon be feeling better.</p>

<p>wow dancermom, that’s a lot to go thru to get treatment…I have been thru something similar and to make a long story short, it left me with a real resentment towards my primary care physician and the practice’s support staff.
The part that has become awkward is that my friend’s husband is also part of the practice. We have seen him for basics , but I just can’t bring myself to see him for gyno exams ( imagine that one )
I recently started seeing a doc in a new practice , but had to call in a favor to get an appointment in a reasonable time frame</p>

<p>Agree that going in for a routine physical is a good place to start, EK. In the course of a physical the nurse and/or Dr will ask you about any presenting problems and you should be able to get them addressed then. That said-- it may be hard to get scheduled for a routine appointment, especially at this time of year. Another possibility would be to start oat one of those free-standing urgent care clinics if you have an acute symptom, and then see if they will refer you on for further care. If you have an identified health matter in need of follow-up, you might be able to be seen sooner by your PCP. That said, you should also get a routine physical appt scheduled too :)</p>

<p>With respect to changing Drs within a practice, some practices have firmer policies about that than others. The best thing to say is that you can’t get onto your other drs calendar for an appt for many months, and you need to be seen sooner. That should help.</p>

<p>Wow.
I have NEVER experienced nor even heard about being refused an appt due to some ‘conflict’ with another Dr in a group or specialty in an area.
We’ve had the same insurance for many yrs through my work. We’ve just shopped the list of participating docs and make a move. I guess I’m missing something.</p>

<p>I went to a new Dr in the practice yesterday- cause I knew if I waited till this week to call- would put it off till after the new year- I * really hate* making appts.
& because I was thinking of attending an 80th birthday party for my FIL today,- ( which is a story in itself- I haven’t been in the same room with inlaws for about 10 years- because their entertainment- is to pick me apart)</p>

<p>They took some blood- and when they call back with results, I will make appt for a physical- I wish our ins would cover naturopaths- H works for big company- but they have many levels of coverage & his union isn’t great at priority setting.</p>

<p>I still see my naturopath, but if she prescribes blood tests, the ins won’t cover it- but I am going to see if this new Dr, is interested in finding out for instance- why I have osteoporosis- since that isn’t supposed to happen until I am ancient- if I can’t even get senior citizen discounts- I am not elderly ;).</p>

<p>Just a note-- the current recommendation for pap smears is every two to three years if you are over thirty and have not had an abnormal result.</p>

<p>I finally found a doc I like after reading as many reviews as I could find online and getting recommendations from women I knew. I decided to call a female GP who many of the local nurses like, but was told the practice was full. I explained that I really felt this particular doctor seemed like a very good match for me (a runner w/ an interest in menopause) and asked if perhaps I could send a note to the doctor requesting an appointment. The scheduler took pity on me and scheduled a checkup.</p>

<p>the current recommendation for pap smears is every two to three years if you are over thirty and have not had an abnormal result.</p>

<p>Thats good to know- I always forget to mention that I have had HPV & Hep B- I should keep better records :o
especially since my memory is so selective.</p>

<p>Could your symptoms be from chronic Hep B?</p>

<p>Probably not- I didn’t even know I had, had Hep B, until a blood test ( I was donating blood) repeatedly came back positive. So I couldn’t donate anymore. This was about 15 years ago. I have antibodies, but it isn’t active & I am not a carrier. :)</p>