<p>I was just wondering where students land after Amherst…I know Amherst has some list of graduates on their websites, but those are just very few examples. Does anyone have stats or a website where i can find some? So who lands in HYP’s for Grad school, who goes away to england or any other country? Who gets a top manangerial work? DO u know a lot of those who were unsuccessful?</p>
<p>Why are people deleting the S from HYSP?</p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, what, and Princeton?</p>
<p>I’m guessing Stanford… and I’ve never heard it referred to as HYSP</p>
<p>The HYP list I saw didn’t include Stanford. I have mixed feelings on the issue since a lot of people (especially californians) choose Stanford over Harvard, Princeton, and Yale due to the location, etc. However, on the flip side, Stanford is ranked the same as Duke so where do you make the cut-off?</p>
<p>Oh, in answer to your question, in 2003 I believe the Wallstreet Journal ranked Amherst 9th in terms of it’s students getting into graduate schools. I don’t know the percentages or even how accurate that study is. However, I do know a lot of people that went on to both Stanford and Harvard from Amherst, if thats any help.</p>
<p>WSJ has never done a ranking of students getting into graduate schools. They have done a very limited survey of students getting into a small number of professional schools.</p>
<p>From the Amherst Student Online: (looks like a ranking to me)</p>
<p><a href=“http://halogen.note.amherst.edu/~astudent/2003-2004/issue06/news/02.html[/url]”>http://halogen.note.amherst.edu/~astudent/2003-2004/issue06/news/02.html</a></p>
<p>"The Wall Street Journal ranked the College ninth in a recent survey evaluating schools success in getting graduates into professional schools. The survey takes its data from the entering classes of 15 elite business, law and medical schools and factors in the size of the feeder schools so that small schools are not penalized. </p>
<p>The top three spots are held, in order, by Harvard, Princeton and Yale Universities. Williams College ranks fifth and Swarthmore College 10th. "</p>
<p>…"The Journal acknowledged that there are problems and biases in the way it conducted its study. They relied heavily on facebooks to report where the incoming graduate school students studied, but facebooks do not always include last minute changes. The focus of the study was on 15 top graduate programs, so certain high-quality programs were excluded, according to The Journal. "</p>
<p>jrc10, it’s not about location, really, a lot of people see academically the big four being HYPS, and then other may say HYPSM for MIT. Putting the damn rankings aside, those dispustably are the best/most recognized undergrad. </p>
<p>Why a lot of people choose Stanford over Princeton and Harvard has a lot also to do with Stanford being recognized as a much better undergraduate experience and that at Harvard there is not really any quality campus life or real community outside of the classroom. Harvard was in the bottom 5 of 31 greater Boston colleges awhile back for students showing the greatest dissatisfaction of social life and campus living. And plus it’s not a State secret that Harvard really does not care much about it’s undergrads.</p>
<p>The main issue with Princeton is the way they run their curriculum and classes. The school offers very little breadth for students’ study and I’d say if you do not know exactly what you want to do when you attend then it is not the school for you. There is no double majoring or minoring, studying outside of your field (humanities/sciences/social sciences) is made difficult and the office makes it sound next to impossible for non-art majors to at all take advantage of the dance and music programs. And the overall atmosphere to me is rather pompous with many people putting up walls.</p>
<p>So really for undergrad, I would only put Yale and Stanford into consideration. And after living on Stanford campus, moving to Cambridge, and now living relatively close to both Harvard and Yale, I’d say my choice is obvious.</p>
<p>And when it comes to grad programs, if you want to go by these ranking at your game… of those four school HYPS, which three do you think have the most recognized graduate programs? I’ll tell you, not Princeton! And yes, I’ll give it to you the that Duke has a great medical center, that’s basically where they pump their money and if subtract that medical school from Duke and it’s endowment, it’s ranking would plummet. Overall, for graduate programs and international recognition, Duke does not even fit in the same category as Harvard, Stanford, and Yale. And, it’s difficult to make the arguement for Princeton, which primarily focuses on undergrad, but with a curriculum and sense of community that I am very critical of. Princeton’s curriculum is basically the exact opposite of the breadth, freedom, and trust that Amherst puts into it’s students…and why would I ever give that up? Your U.S. News Report, which I do not care to much for, says:</p>
<p>Top Law Schools:
- Yale
- Stanford
- Harvard</p>
<p>Top Med Schools:
- Harvard
- Stanford
- Yale</p>
<p>Top Business Schools:
- Harvard
- Stanford
- Yale</p>
<p>Top Engineering Schools:
2. Stanford
18. Princeton
21. Harvard
39. Yale</p>
<p>Top Doctoral Education Programs:
- Harvard
- Stanford</p>
<p>Cre8tive1, your post was very informative and I agree with most of it. However, I still believe that location is an issue because I just graduated high school this year and while some classmates chose Standford over Yale, Harvard, or Princeton, I also have numerous friends who turned down ivys and schools that were considered more academically challenging so that they could attend other California schools such as USC, UCLA, or Claremont McKenna. I would be a fool to suggest that location is the only factor, but I still believe it is a key one. </p>
<p>Other than the location factor, I fail to see what we’re arguing about. Someone asked where the Amherst graduates attend and I posted an article from the Amherst Student. If you notice, when I quoted the article above, I also included the part about the “problems and biases” to be fair. No ranking or study will ever do the colleges true justice since every student is looking for different qualities in their individual college search. However, I believe it is unfair to entirely dismiss them out of hand, which is why I posted the link. </p>
<p>If your post was meant to be in defense of Amherst, there is no need since I preferred Amherst to any of the ivys and will be attending next year.</p>
<p>To those students who are looking at colleges right now, I think cre8tive1’s post was pretty much accurate with regard to the various ivys.</p>
<p>Cre8tive1, your post was a real eye-opener, in the sense that I’m no longer agonizing over my Pton rejection (the “whoa, I nearly had to attend Pton instead of Amherst!” mentality:D) The only questionable bit is your assertion that Pton doesn’t let its undergrads take a minor. Pton DOES offer minors, and I’d be taking up a minor in Linguistics were I to be accepted and attend the school;)</p>
<p>jrc10,and creative, you guys turned dsown HYPS?</p>
<p>Miaoling, unless I’m missing a big gap, what you would have been taking was a certificate program in Linguistics, which is not a minor. Basically, a pat on the back foryourself thatis not recognized that much outside of academia, it’s not a minor that will show up on your degree below your noted major, it is a “certificate of proficiency.”</p>
<p>Cre8ive1, nice post, however, what do you think of the peculiar program of study at U of C then?</p>
<p>Oh yeah thanks, my bad. It’s a certificate of proficiency, not a “minor”. Haven’t visited the Pton site since I got the thin envelope;)</p>