Where do kids like mine go? Smart but no hooks [ME resident, 4.0 GPA, 1570 SAT, <$50k]

I’m not sure what you mean by “get close to it” and “optimized”-but thanks for sharing your daughter’s experience. She’s researching the sub-programs like Regents and I think she is definitely more happy with UNM now. She still has some fears that the crowd will be a lot like her high school’s-but she also said “in any case, it’s a new place around new people so it’s not like I’m going to tread water, right?”

About outdoors: She says outdoors was a factor she used to make the list based on her research. “Even concrete is interesting if you look at it with a friend. And sunsets are boring alone.” So I think she’s fine with her list in that sense.

All this advice from everyone is useful!!

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I’m saying - if you don’t qualify for need, I don’t see how you can get close to your cost - sub $50K with this list. You build lists for budgets and this one isn’t. So to me Rochester on down is a waste. Pitt likely a waste but possible. Will she be happy with the first five? You can pick privates that have a chance to make budget - but these aren’t it so if these are her favorite, I think you’re going to have disappointment via budget. That’s what I meant by get close to it.

As for optimized, I’m saying, if you ran the NPC and you get no aid, I don’t see your list as optimized - so same as above.

There are privates with significant merit - and perhaps a Case Western can be a Rochester or Brandeis sub - but I’m thinking schools like U Denver and Ithaca and some LACs or mid size publics with nature adjacent - like Tennessee Chattanooga or Tennessee Tech…and yes, the student will be above stat wise.

You are seeking substantial money. Schools you listed have high stat kids already….you need to apply to schools that open the wallets for studs. That’s what I mean by optimize.

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This is kind of a beautiful take.

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My kid has some things in common with yours – smart (35 ACT, gifted HS) and wanted linguistics and strong humanities/social sciences, a city location, teacher attention and engaged peers. She’s at Macalester with the then-top merit scholarship and v happy. The students there are much more down to earth than those she met at her California high school. City access is pretty easy to St Paul or Minneapolis with free public transportation passes for students, but the campus itself is pretty leafy and not a super urban vibe. It’s 15 minutes from the airport - that’s huge for someone traveling from Maine - something to consider… The outdoor club is apparently the largest club on campus, and you can borrow camping or outdoors equipment from a gear room for free. Worth considering for sure!

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Coming to this thread very late, but I enjoyed the conversation! My D22 was like yours – 36 ACT, salutatorian, high-level research in high school, always the brainy and cerebral kid. She wanted linguistics at a smallish-medium school with like-minded peers. I think she really envisioned sitting under a tree and discussing philosophy and literature with an equally cerebral circle of friends – something she did not have in high school. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Unfortunately, she was not willing to consider honors colleges at larger state schools, so everywhere she applied was a reach – plus a couple of safeties that she really didn’t want to attend or weren’t ideal for her major.

She didn’t know much about linguistics and the various subfields before college, and at the time, she thought she wanted psychology, too.

She landed at Rice (Emory was her close second choice), which has a pretty small linguistics department but with a handful of very well-respected professors. (They recently lured a celebrated professor away from WashU, lol.) And over the last three years, my daughter learned that a) she didn’t care for psychology, b) she continued to love Latin and Greek so added classics as a second major, and c) she loved morphology and syntax and phonetics – but not so much sociolinguistics.

She did like historical linguistics and really vibed in her Indo-European class. Rice didn’t offer a computational linguistics class for the last three years (which is kind of shameful since there’s such an emphasis on CS) – I was hopeful my daughter would like it because it seems to have the most potential for a linguistics career without a PhD, but alas, she has zero interest.

Anyhow, the school has been a fantastic fit overall (she’s not the outdoorsy type and is perfectly happy in urban-with-a-real-campus), but it is really stingy with merit. There is some, but it would be unusual to knock $30K off the sticker price.

Daughter is now applying to grad programs in speech-language pathology. It took her a long time to ponder what she might do with linguistics – we thought she’d stay in academia for the long haul, but she’s leaning against that from a practical standpoint. (She doesn’t want to be in school for another 6 years, and if she is, she wants to be employed at a university soon afterward, and there’s no guarantee of that in linguistics.) She’s got some other connections to the speech world, too, so this makes sense for her.

Just some things to think about as your kid considers a linguistics degree!

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That’s great. Wonderful to hear about young people entering my profession!!

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And from my POV as a linguist,* I’m happy to see more and more lx majors heading into SLP (and audiology)—there was a weird couple decades where it felt like there was bad blood between the fields, and lx majors would often be actively steered away from SLP. But really, it’s such a natural fit that that never made sense to me.

*And maybe specifically, a linguist who’s had students go into SLP and audiology programs.

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I totally agree!!

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My younger daughter is applying this year as a Linguistics major (or minor, depending on the school) and is thinking about audiology as a career. So nice to hear this (about a natural fit, not bad blood :))!

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Because the state of NM offers free tuition to any NM high grad who finishes with 2.5 GPA or better, you’ll find a lot of high achieving kids who come from middle class families who just can’t pass up the good deal. One of my daughters attended a competitive private prep school, who routinely sent kids to Stanford and other highly competitive colleges. So the kids were there were really smart–still 1/3 of her graduating class went to UNM because “it’s free”. This includes kids of research scientists from the National Labs, university professors, financial professionals, Intel engineers, doctors, lawyers… One D had a fellow physics major at UNM who was co-authoring research papers with Kip Thorne (then at Cal Tech) as a college sophomore. (D used to call him “the Curve-killer.”)

Also UNM offers substantial discounts to high achieving OOS students. It gets a ton of students from CA.

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Hi! Thanks for your response-I’m glad your daughter’s doing well. Mine talked to some former students and was very impressed.

One thing we wondered-what is the actual maximum merit? Their website says 25,000 yearly, with an average of around 20,000. The students she talked to said theirs were much higher-40-50,000. (And this was definitely merit money.) They are all older graduates, though, from pre-pandemic times. Possibly they have gotten stingier.

And the linguistics inter-field politics are interesting! She is glad that people are so invested.

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They are likely including need when they say $40-50k.

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