Where do kids like mine go? Smart but no hooks [ME resident, 4.0 GPA, 1570 SAT, <$50k]

I’m not sure what you mean by “get close to it” and “optimized”-but thanks for sharing your daughter’s experience. She’s researching the sub-programs like Regents and I think she is definitely more happy with UNM now. She still has some fears that the crowd will be a lot like her high school’s-but she also said “in any case, it’s a new place around new people so it’s not like I’m going to tread water, right?”

About outdoors: She says outdoors was a factor she used to make the list based on her research. “Even concrete is interesting if you look at it with a friend. And sunsets are boring alone.” So I think she’s fine with her list in that sense.

All this advice from everyone is useful!!

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I’m saying - if you don’t qualify for need, I don’t see how you can get close to your cost - sub $50K with this list. You build lists for budgets and this one isn’t. So to me Rochester on down is a waste. Pitt likely a waste but possible. Will she be happy with the first five? You can pick privates that have a chance to make budget - but these aren’t it so if these are her favorite, I think you’re going to have disappointment via budget. That’s what I meant by get close to it.

As for optimized, I’m saying, if you ran the NPC and you get no aid, I don’t see your list as optimized - so same as above.

There are privates with significant merit - and perhaps a Case Western can be a Rochester or Brandeis sub - but I’m thinking schools like U Denver and Ithaca and some LACs or mid size publics with nature adjacent - like Tennessee Chattanooga or Tennessee Tech…and yes, the student will be above stat wise.

You are seeking substantial money. Schools you listed have high stat kids already….you need to apply to schools that open the wallets for studs. That’s what I mean by optimize.

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This is kind of a beautiful take.

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My kid has some things in common with yours – smart (35 ACT, gifted HS) and wanted linguistics and strong humanities/social sciences, a city location, teacher attention and engaged peers. She’s at Macalester with the then-top merit scholarship and v happy. The students there are much more down to earth than those she met at her California high school. City access is pretty easy to St Paul or Minneapolis with free public transportation passes for students, but the campus itself is pretty leafy and not a super urban vibe. It’s 15 minutes from the airport - that’s huge for someone traveling from Maine - something to consider… The outdoor club is apparently the largest club on campus, and you can borrow camping or outdoors equipment from a gear room for free. Worth considering for sure!

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Coming to this thread very late, but I enjoyed the conversation! My D22 was like yours – 36 ACT, salutatorian, high-level research in high school, always the brainy and cerebral kid. She wanted linguistics at a smallish-medium school with like-minded peers. I think she really envisioned sitting under a tree and discussing philosophy and literature with an equally cerebral circle of friends – something she did not have in high school. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Unfortunately, she was not willing to consider honors colleges at larger state schools, so everywhere she applied was a reach – plus a couple of safeties that she really didn’t want to attend or weren’t ideal for her major.

She didn’t know much about linguistics and the various subfields before college, and at the time, she thought she wanted psychology, too.

She landed at Rice (Emory was her close second choice), which has a pretty small linguistics department but with a handful of very well-respected professors. (They recently lured a celebrated professor away from WashU, lol.) And over the last three years, my daughter learned that a) she didn’t care for psychology, b) she continued to love Latin and Greek so added classics as a second major, and c) she loved morphology and syntax and phonetics – but not so much sociolinguistics.

She did like historical linguistics and really vibed in her Indo-European class. Rice didn’t offer a computational linguistics class for the last three years (which is kind of shameful since there’s such an emphasis on CS) – I was hopeful my daughter would like it because it seems to have the most potential for a linguistics career without a PhD, but alas, she has zero interest.

Anyhow, the school has been a fantastic fit overall (she’s not the outdoorsy type and is perfectly happy in urban-with-a-real-campus), but it is really stingy with merit. There is some, but it would be unusual to knock $30K off the sticker price.

Daughter is now applying to grad programs in speech-language pathology. It took her a long time to ponder what she might do with linguistics – we thought she’d stay in academia for the long haul, but she’s leaning against that from a practical standpoint. (She doesn’t want to be in school for another 6 years, and if she is, she wants to be employed at a university soon afterward, and there’s no guarantee of that in linguistics.) She’s got some other connections to the speech world, too, so this makes sense for her.

Just some things to think about as your kid considers a linguistics degree!

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That’s great. Wonderful to hear about young people entering my profession!!

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And from my POV as a linguist,* I’m happy to see more and more lx majors heading into SLP (and audiology)—there was a weird couple decades where it felt like there was bad blood between the fields, and lx majors would often be actively steered away from SLP. But really, it’s such a natural fit that that never made sense to me.

*And maybe specifically, a linguist who’s had students go into SLP and audiology programs.

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I totally agree!!

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My younger daughter is applying this year as a Linguistics major (or minor, depending on the school) and is thinking about audiology as a career. So nice to hear this (about a natural fit, not bad blood :))!

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Because the state of NM offers free tuition to any NM high grad who finishes with 2.5 GPA or better, you’ll find a lot of high achieving kids who come from middle class families who just can’t pass up the good deal. One of my daughters attended a competitive private prep school, who routinely sent kids to Stanford and other highly competitive colleges. So the kids were there were really smart–still 1/3 of her graduating class went to UNM because “it’s free”. This includes kids of research scientists from the National Labs, university professors, financial professionals, Intel engineers, doctors, lawyers… One D had a fellow physics major at UNM who was co-authoring research papers with Kip Thorne (then at Cal Tech) as a college sophomore. (D used to call him “the Curve-killer.”)

Also UNM offers substantial discounts to high achieving OOS students. It gets a ton of students from CA.

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Hi! Thanks for your response-I’m glad your daughter’s doing well. Mine talked to some former students and was very impressed.

One thing we wondered-what is the actual maximum merit? Their website says 25,000 yearly, with an average of around 20,000. The students she talked to said theirs were much higher-40-50,000. (And this was definitely merit money.) They are all older graduates, though, from pre-pandemic times. Possibly they have gotten stingier.

And the linguistics inter-field politics are interesting! She is glad that people are so invested.

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They are likely including need when they say $40-50k.

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Yes-that is what we saw on the website. An online panel said that average merit “package" was 28,000-I wonder if “package” has a special meaning. I would guess that they would advertise the higher number online, though.

The people she talked to were pretty clear that it wasn’t need-based. I think there might be some internship/study abroad/music reason. Maybe I’ll ask her to email.

Your earlier comment about optimizing-she couldn’t find any private colleges that got cheaper than 50,000 with likely merit that also offered linguistics and seemed a good fit. So the privates on the list are ones that have moonshot merit possibilities as well as linguistics. She understands she statistically won’t get a full ride to Emory-but why not try? The alternative is an affordable education at one of the flagships that she is increasingly excited about.

She has also added Boston College and Boston University to the list because she is finding that application-writing is surprisingly not so time intensive.

I think the people you talked to must be including need based aid or other external scholarships. The top merit scholarship there these days is around 25k. I don’t know if it was different earlier but that would surprise me that it would be that much higher pre-Covid. You could certainly ask. Keep in mind that the scholarship stays fixed and tuition goes up each year so make sure to see what you are comfortable with / planning for for all 4 years (at Mac or anywhere). But I don’t think merit will get you below $50K there at least from what I can tell - it will be a bit higher. If $50k is a hard stop and you are sure you would not qualify for need, make sure you are including schools with higher merit. BTW, remember to also factor in travel expenses, storage, cost of housing/meals etc. too – staying more locally would be cheaper on some of those factors. Good luck!

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Not sure if this was mentioned before, but Macalester has a pre-read that can apparently include both need-based and merit-based aid: Early Financial Aid Assessment - Macalester College

(It’s included in this list of schools that offer pre-reads: Financial Pre-reads, including merit + merit ED)

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My class of 2022 student got a large merit and FA award from Macalester, surprisingly as I wasn’t expecting a nickel of FA. College of Holy Cross was the same way. No other schools gave anything for FA yet Macalester gave I think 16K per year in addition to merit. Merit was 22K or about.

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Hi there, very late to this thread, but I have some experience with a few of the schools that have come up and I am a Northern New Englander with a similar financial profile.

I have a junior at UMASS-Amherst in the College of Natural Sciences. He had far lower stats than your daughter thanks to Covid in 9th & 10th grade (3.4UW/3.7 W/1410 SAT). He received a renewable 12k merit award from UMASS, where he has excelled (ultimately entering the Honors College). He has had ample access to research and activities he enjoys. Sis not a partier but is gregarious and has found his people (climbing, outdoor hiking, skiing, etc). Food is as good as advertised, the University is very well run. It’s also a liberal environment. The first year was 48k. It’s pretty close to that now too. While it is not always logistically easy without a car, the Five College Consortium provides opportunities to attend the other schools.

I also have an introverted, quirky freshman son at St. John’s College. This kid had better HS stats (3.8UW/4.1W but similar SAT 1390). He is a hard case, intellectual, liberal but critical of tribalism. He hiked the 100-mile wilderness and summited Mt. Katahdin before Senior year of HS. He fell in love with St. John’s College (Annapolis). He thought the students were smarter than he was, so it would challenge him and he liked the cool clubs. The workload is intense and the food in Annapolis is average, but S25 is more engaged and social than we have ever seen him. He really feels like he has found his tribe. There is also SJC Sante Fe, which has a slightly different vibe located in a beautiful area by the mountains (They may do an orientation hike). SJC adjusted its tuition a few years ago and S25 received a renewable merit award of 16K. Every class has about 12-18 students. Politically, I think it is moderate, not conservative. My kid has found folks with an entirely different world view as well as like-minded students who traveled together with him to No Kings Protest in DC. SJC will provide at least one funded summer opportunity for each student-whether it be funded internship, classes, or research. A large percentage of SJC students enter graduate school.

Given your financial constraints, both schools are worthy of consideration. S23 took UMASS-Amherst over all the other New England Flagships. S25 did not have anything else like SJC because he wanted to stay on the east coast; his Plan B was UNH.

A final word: Can’t remember if it is on the final list, UNH is going through another round of budget cuts and I feel like Brandeis is struggling.

Good luck!

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