<p>woot woot math for the win!</p>
<p>UCLA is a BIG deal in Turkey no doubt about it. They haven’t heard of UCSB or Irvine or any of the other UC’s but UCLA and Berkeley get “wow’s”. My fam knows UCSB b/c our neighbor is a ucsb professor.</p>
<p>They are very prestigious schools…a good point an fellow volunteer brought up while on shift…the reason why CAL and UCLA don’t receive as much recognition as the IVY’s is because of the student-prof. ratio. They are public institutions with a very large number of students and obviously one does not get the same attention from prof. he or she would get at Stanford (I know b/c a close friend of mine attends stanford). </p>
<p>oh well…it still has the wow-factor in turkey which is good for me :)</p>
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<p>one problem w/ public universities like ucla and berkeley is that students can always attend a community college first and then transfer into one of them.
this inevitably hurts the overall quality of student body in public universities.</p>
<p>for example, back in high school days, i personally knew several horrible slackers who scored badly on SATs and had low school grades. they later went on to community colleges and succesfully transferred into berkeley and ucla. all my other high school friends knew very well that these students were neither brilliant nor hardworking.</p>
<p>seaweed, many people simply transfer bc they can’t afford to pay for 4 full years of college. i do think neuro_cali is right, the UCs aren’t for everyone. some people are more confident knowing that a professor is always available for help. if they want that, they shouldn’t go to cal or ucla. it takes a certain type of confidence and person to attend a large public school.</p>
<p>vc08: or just a certain financial status</p>
<p>Seaweed, perhaps these people have changed a lot.</p>
<p>seawood, obviously they are hardworking if they could get into UCLA and Berkeley. No one gets in with an easy ride. You seem like a very arrogant person for saying something like that btw. And the UC transfer system is not a problem, it is something that all universities around the country should strive for and look up to. Transfers bring in many different types of students that for some reason or another did not get in w/ the same applicant pool as freshman. I had terrible grades in high school, but it wasn’t because I was a slacker…we all have our personal reasons for where we are. What is important is where we end up. I personally love the community college system. My professors are all amazing and the resources I have at my disposal have given me the confidence I didn’t have back in HS. Why should students settle for less when they have the potential to achieve something greater? For you to stereotype CC students as being lazy and unproductive is very wrong and misleading to students from other states who are unfamiliar w/ the UC system. The community college-UC system is excellent in my opinion and I believe others also share this opinion. If I were you seaweed, I would meet some transfers…you would be in for a surprise.</p>
<p>okay…first, i wasn’t trying to say ALL CC students are slackers. in fact, i respect many CC students. some of them have to part time while trying to stay on top of things in school. not to mention many of them do not have the resources and connections that many ivy leagues students can get from their parents. i’ve known many CC transfers and they are all wonderful people.</p>
<p>second, yes, perhaps the classmates i mentioned have changed and worked hard in CC. but truth be told, it isn’t particularly hard to obtain a high GPA in community colleges. i am not sure how the UC system works, but most state universities guarantee local CC students admission as long as they achieve a certain high GPA.</p>
<p>third, i believe ucla and cal are both great schools, especially at graduate school level. but the CC transfer system makes me to doubt the consistency of quality students these schools produce.</p>
<p>Why’s everyone calling seawood out? All he said was that UC’s allow people from CC’s to transfer and this is why they are not on the same level as the ivies…in which case…I agree. To get into an ivy you have to be a top performer throughout HS. No big mistakes, no years off. You are really the cream of the crop (with the exception of the small % who get in bcuz their parents are somebodies). Whereas people @ UC’s may be very smart, but if you’re transferring because you had a bad year then you’re not the flawless student John Q @ Yale is. I think UCLA + Berk are very good universities, hell they are 26 and 22 in the country, but when I think “wow” university I think a university that makes people stop in their tracks…in which case I think Yale/Harvard/Stanford/Princeton/MIT type schools and I think Cal/LA are a ways away from being one of those…both in perceived prestige and actual collegiate opportunities/experience. </p>
<p>BTW: I’m a CC–>UCLA transfer</p>
<p>From my experiences, my CC was at least on par if not harder (not a whole lot) than high school. So if a student from high school didn’t go through some discipline changes while transitioning from HS to CC, that student’ probably wouldn’t be able to get into UCLA. </p>
<p>I don’t totally recall the data on my CC, but I think about 130ish people from my CC came to UCLA. That’s supposedly out of 15,000 students. Just going based off of the classes I took, theres a bunch that fit the description of those classmates, seaweed. </p>
<p>But I mean, what you should check is data on transfer GPA’s after a year of being at UCLA. To be fair you would probably compare courses, not overall GPA. See how well a student that transfer did in like 10 classes and find another person who go into from high school and happened to take the same 10 classes. If they have a GPA comparable to that of a UCLA student, wouldn’t that mean that their quality is equal to that of a person who actually got into the school from high school? </p>
<p>I also don’t think UC’s grant guaranteed admission if you have a certain GPA. </p>
<p>But I do agree that some people get into UCLA that probably wouldn’t have ever gotten in.</p>
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Neither was GWB, yet, somehow he got in and graduated from Yale.</p>
<p>There are more unqualified students that get accepted to the ivies because they were legacies than any of the UCs considering the UCs don’t even consider an applicant’s “legacy” status.</p>
<p>which school has a better name: USC or UCLA despite rankings?</p>
<p>On another note, I am a transfer, and I have average grades. But by me being a transfer, do I really hurt the quality of the student body if I am scoring about what most UCLA students score?</p>
<p>dawritingmachine: UCLA</p>
<p>seaweed: i don’t have a huge problem with your opinion, but just thought you should know that by no means do cal and ucla accept all transfer students. in fact, they are the only two UC schools that do not have an agreement with ccs to accept students if they achieve a certain GPA.</p>
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of course UCLA, USC is known for kids with rich parents 
sorry if that offended anyone but it is true to some extend…</p>
<p>I told my counselor, “I want to apply to USC.” She replied, “Are you or your parents made of money?”</p>
<p>USC is not a bad school. I would say it might give a slight edge if you want a career in business out of undergrad. </p>
<p>It is also not as expensive as others make it out to be. If you are smart, they give decent scholarships, half tuition/ full tuition. I would have considered USC if I had applied and gotten a full tuition scholarship. </p>
<p>Name recognition for USC is limited to southern California though. I never heard of USC until I got accepted to UCLA.</p>
<p>UCLA Medical Center has jumped to #3 in the US News Best Hospitals 2007 rankings:</p>
<p><a href=“http://newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=8090[/url]”>http://newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=8090</a>
<a href=“http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/best-hospitals/honorroll.htm[/url]”>http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/best-hospitals/honorroll.htm</a></p>
<p>:rolleyes:</p>
<p>yay! go UCLA!</p>
<p>is it true that most students who are accepted to ucla undergrad are most likely accepted to usc undergrad if they applied to both? never really heard of the reverse.</p>
<p>no offense but we are more competitive</p>