That is depressing. She will be taking 2 subjects tests in October so she will not have time to retake it for EA.
The Caltech common data set shows that students who scored 770on the math SAT test were in the BOTTOM 25% of accepted students- the top 75% scored 800.
C9 SAT Math 770 800
“She will be taking 2 subjects tests in October so she will not have time to retake it for EA.”
just looked at CT’s website-
OCT is the last date to take any standardized tests.
My error and apologies.
@mom2mom, I don’t consider living at home for college a plus, so in my book that’s a big minus for Caltech. Just let her try for Stanford, she likes it best, if I understand your original post correctly.
I do agree with menloparkmom she should have her applications ready to go for the other schools. My son got into RPI early via some even better than EA program, then, was deferred by both MIT and Caltech (and ultimately rejected by both). There was a lot of stress in December applying to the rest of his list, but he did end up getting into Harvard and Carnegie Mellon, so he had good choices in the spring. Knowing that RPI was an in no matter how all the rest of it turned out was definitely helpful. BTW my kid also applied to Stanford, and didn’t get in. He wrote a terrible roommate essay though.
Thank you @mathmom and @menloparkmom . You gave me a lot to think about. DD is at her summer research program now and will be returning second week of August. Then she will have a shot period to finish her project before the competition deadline in October, I think. She will not be working on her essay this summer, which is a big minus too. I don’t think she will want to retake her SAT. I told her that she is done and cannot take it back now.
I just checked the CT website- I was in error- Oct is the latest she can take any standardized tests for EA consideration.
Thank you @menloparkmom i guess the question now is where she is less likely to get rejected: at Stanford or at Caltech with math score of 750. We also have option to retake ACT but I don’t even want to open this can of worms.
If you look thru the Caltech site, you’ll see people admitted without 800 on math SAT, but they often have 800 on the subject tests. What matters is if they show some passion for the field. My son also had a major leadership role in HS. Has your DD entered any math or science competitions?
While our HS often has MIT admits, no one has yet been accepted to Stanford, though I’d have to check the last few years. My son was the first admitted to Caltech and SCS at CMU, but being in the SE, MIT is preferred. As previously mentioned, our HS is far from a STEM school.
My son was encouraged by his GC to apply In his junior year(for reasons about taking far too many courses at local U), 2 days before winter vacation. I guess that was a few days before Stanford’s 12/15 final day for RD.
My son’s profile was so very similar to Mathmom’s son, and we shared strong associations with same college, but her son was accepted there and my son rejected. Honestly, it does feel like a lottery with some of these selective schools.
I think your hunch is correct, EA school to Caltech is much better than SCEA to Stanford. But your kid has strong stats so I think she will get into most schools.
@bookwarm she was very much involved in her sport since elementary school until this year with 25 hours of training on average per week. She didn’t have much time for anything else so she did not participate in any competitions. She is working on a serious research project this summer and planning to enter it into both Intel and Siemens competiton.
"thank you @menloparkmom i guess the question now is where she is less likely to get rejected: at Stanford or at Caltech with math score of 750. We also have option to retake ACT but I don’t even want to open this can of worms. "
She is most likely to be rejected by both- based strictly on the sheer numbers of qualified applicants from around the world.
5% accepted = 95% rejected. You have to start to accept that. And so does she.
Both schools are going to turn away most applicants.
Getting in to either school should be looked at as an unexpected gift. Nothing more.
She should apply RD everywhere[ except USC of course and the UC’s applications- both have to be submitted in Nov. ]
dont increase her or your stress anymore than it will already be.
Tell her to focus her attention on her safeties, match schools and on USC.
THEY are the schools who need to feel her love!
OP, I know no one in my area who did Intel or Siemens, let alone a research project. My son found a way to enter math competitions.
Honestly, I would have your DD apply to many purely EA schools, and just send in Stanford’s early, but not with the restricted EA. You have so many good choices in CA. Harvey Mudd has regular EA.
@mom2mom - to be “full pay at any school”, you need to have either have a household income above $250,000 or have substantial assets outside of home equity and retirement funds. That would put your income in the top 2-3%, which stretches the limits of what most people would consider middle class.
If your family income is less than $250,000, your daughter may well find you qualify for need-based aid from some of the top schools, including Stanford. Families with incomes in the $150,000 range will qualify for significant need-based aid at those schools. Don’t assume the FAFSA EFC is accurate, visit the individual school websites and use their Net Price Calculators instead.
Both schools are selective and as Menloparkmon says, you have to expect the worse when it comes to admission. With that said. Have her apply for the school she likes best, which seems to be Stanford. One of my kids did SCEA and was accepted. (not at Stanford). The other did EA to only one school, not sure why the EA was to only one school nonetheless, kiddo was accepted to that school. At the time, those were the schools they liked the best in the early round.
Incidentally, one also applied to USC and received the Presidential. I recall this was late January. If your daughter is deferred by Stanford, then within a month she would be hearing something from USC just as long as she applies by December 1st.
Your daughter sounds like a wonderful kid. Good luck to her and have her go with her gut.
What about MIT for EA?
she wants to stay in Calif.
OP, I had to break it to you, every kid in my kid’s high school applied to Stanford. Kid #2 mentioned this as a source of pride that she didn’t waste an application to Stanford.
^ well sure, the students in your kids HS live close to Stanford, right? LIke the students in my town? And many of their parents went to Stanford, right?
So why not throw them a “hail Mary” pass?
The problem is - the common app makes it too easy, imho, for anyone to apply to any college these days, regardless of how unlikely or non- existent the chances of acceptance are.
dont know how to solve that issue…
And I am sure not only in your school.
Post #37, no not close to Stanford. 400 miles away. Our high school is closer to Caltech than Stanford.